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    betlarge
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    Watched Moneylaws leave his legs badly in Hexham’s water jump yesterday (immediately pu so hope he’s OK). It has always occured to me how much they look like an injury trap although I have no particular stats to prove this.

    Wasn’t there some move to ban them a few years ago? I’m sure some have been taken out of racecourses but obviously they’re still allowed.

    Mike

    #397180
    yeats
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    Safer than other fences, ask the RSPCA.

    #397191
    Venusian
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    Yeats is quite right.

    Water jumps are easily the safest obstacles on a chase course (measured on a jump-by-jump basis).

    This is especially true in recent years after the "tapered lip" (for want of a better expression) was introduced to stop horses injuring their backs when they dropped their hind legs in the water after landing a bit short.

    Not only do the RSPCA know this, but ask any jockey!

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    If that’s the case why have so many courses dispensed with them? I notice that Sandown’s has gone & Chepstow’s & the one in front of the stands that was so spectacular at Haydock. Don’t get me on the subject of Haydock……

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    phil walker
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    Think Sandown’s water jump still exists, though its invisible from the stands and doesn’t serve any purpose imo

    #397413
    % MAN
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    Think Sandown’s water jump still exists, though its invisible from the stands and doesn’t serve any purpose imo

    Yep Sandown’s is still there – it’s the fence before the railway fences.

    For me the most pointless "water" jump is Huntingdon’s, where the water has been replaced by a strip of bright blue astroturf.

    http://www.ors-racing.co.uk/Images/General/Huntingdon101002Track2_400.jpg

    Arguably more dangerous than the real thing as the astroturf would be slippy.

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    Think Sandown’s water jump still exists, though its invisible from the stands and doesn’t serve any purpose imo

    Yes, I wonder about that too. Lingfield haven’t had one for years – Plumpton got rid of theirs. Fontwell haven’t had one for years either.

    I do agree there’s some merit when they are in front of the stands such as at Newbury and Aintree and other places.

    I might be wrong but the rules at one point said there HAD to be a water jump on each circuit of a chase course but once that rule was dropped, courses were free to do as they saw fit.

    I wonder if water jumps need more maintenance.

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    Miss Woodford
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    Mosquito breeding grounds?

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    Crepello1957
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    I was wondering about the maintenance aspect too & the blue Astroturf rather backs that up.
    At the moment mosquitoes are not a problem in the UK but if warming continues toxic ones might eventually be a problem in the South, but racecourses do not have that excuse at the moment.

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    vikingflagship
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    i never knew huntingdon had put blue astroturf down how strange :shock:

    vf

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    Stratford only recently (last couple of years iirc) put in a water jump just after the finish line so someone thinks they’re a good idea. I quite like them and think they give the horses a little break from the higher jumps.

    Guess they’re mostly a leftover from the true "steeple chasing" days when everything was across country and you’d quite likely be jumping streams and water ditches.

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    Courses with Water Jumps

    Aintree
    Cartmel
    Cheltenham
    Doncaster
    Exeter
    Hexham
    Huntingdon (virtual)
    Leicester
    Ludlow
    Newbury
    Perth
    Sandown
    Stratford
    Wincanton

    Courses without Water Jumps

    Ascot
    Ayr
    Bangor
    Carlisle
    Catterick
    Chepstow
    Fakenham
    Ffos Las
    Folkestone
    Fontwell
    Haydock
    Hereford
    Kelso
    Lingfield
    Kempton
    Market Rasen
    Musselburgh
    Newcastle
    Newton Abbot
    Plumpton
    Sedgefield
    Southwell
    Taunton
    Towcester
    Uttoxeter
    Warwick
    Wetherby
    Worcester

    ....and you've got to look a long way back for anything else.

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    davidbrady
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    No water jumps in Ireland at all

    #399110
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    Caveat to espmadrid’s list, Aintree’s Water Jump only used in races over the National fences, not Mildmay.

    I once read (someone may confirm or correct this) but the last Water Jump in Ireland to be removed was Leopardstown circa 1966. France on the other hand love their "Rivier de Tribunes"

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    Point-to-point courses with Water Jumps

    – Kimble
    – Tweseldown

    Kimble’s is a proper, big, hole in the ground-type water jump from the old days, as befits a famous old line of almost exactly a century’s standing. It has killed precisely no horses, never mind wrecked any, in all the time I’ve followed Pointing.

    Kimble’s solitary meeting takes place this Easter Saturday and a visit is hugely recommended – and not just to see the water jump in use.

    gc

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    Caveat to espmadrid’s list, Aintree’s Water Jump only used in races over the National fences, not Mildmay.

    I’d need to check when precisely that changed, as time was that the water was used for Mildmay races also.

    One of my tapes (remember them?) of audio recordings from Radio 2 / Five Live’s Aintree coverage over the years features the 1989 Captain Morgan Chase, as it then was, with Bonalma skying the water jump like few before or since. "He thought it was Bechers Brook!", Peter Bromley exclaimed.

    gc

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    CarryOnKatie
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    Caveat to espmadrid’s list, Aintree’s Water Jump only used in races over the National fences, not Mildmay.

    I’d need to check when precisely that changed, as time was that the water was used for Mildmay races also.

    One of my tapes (remember them?) of audio recordings from Radio 2 / Five Live’s Aintree coverage over the years features the 1989 Captain Morgan Chase, as it then was, with Bonalma skying the water jump like few before or since. "He thought it was Bechers Brook!", Peter Bromley exclaimed.

    gc

    Your memory is correct GC. The Water Jump was used in all chases (Mildmay & National) until the Mildmay course was realigned in the early 1990’s, after which Mildmay course chases were Water free.

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