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I do think it is quite amusing how John Lydon almost looks a bit apologetic and embarrassed when he says the “rude word” again. And there is something incongruous and old fashioned about Steve Jones’s use of the word “rotter”, even then.
I personally think these ‘warnings’ (i.e disclaimers) are a good thing.
Contrary to Boomer Belief (oooh someone should trademark that!) not all Millenials and Gen Z’s are liberal and/or left-wing.
There are many lurking, or blatant, right-wing and anti-PC young people. Most of these have been somewhat “radicalised” by the like of Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson &co.
I believe that by putting these disclaimers, the really young youngsters know EXACTLY what they are watching, because their parents may not say. I really don’t want yet another generation of ‘fusty dusties’ (see what I did there?) who still think the height of all humour is ‘hah funny generic-overused stereotype/caricature’.
We can all enjoy the funny shows in our childhood/general past, but I feel we all must not look back in the Golden Age Mindset.
As said on this thread, there were always things you couldn’t get away with saying on TV, and in general, its just those things have now changed.
I’ll give an example. When I was 15 I loved watching Frankie Boyle – I mean, I was obsessed. I knew all his jokes (+ a few of Jimmy Carr’s too). I thought his humour was so shocking and offensive and… wait for it… funny!
However, watching it back, I can still laugh at some of it, but other parts I realise how ‘past it’ I am. Things like that I just don’t find funny anymore. Perhaps, I see it from the other perspective now.
If I was watching an old programme, I would know what I was getting into, but a disclaimer makes it all the more easy to turn over, before I ‘get into’ anything.
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Programmes on TALKING PICTURES also gets this disclaimer. “This program/film contains attitudes and dialogue that was wrong now, and at the time.”
CAS makes a point about LAUREL AND HARDY in my view one of the funniest duos of all time. Didn’t care much for the silent era, but the talkies was hilarious especially the stuff from the Hal Roach studio. However one film PARDON US they played escape convicts and blacken up their faces to look like colours. Myself I’ve no problem with this, but I can see how other people might be offended by this.
The Black and White Minstrel Show was another program where people blacken their face, and that is wrong but still liked their singing at the time.
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Eliminate the negative.
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Don't mess with mister in between.Frankie Boyles metamorphis from jokes against disabled people to self-crowned king of the snowflakes was a strange one. Don’t know what to make of the smug git now.
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When did Frankie Boyle crown himself ‘king of the snowflakes’? (whatever that means)
Seemed to go from near the knuckle to ultra-PC overnight. I don’t have an exact date for you Richard unfortunately.
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Re the blackface point, I don’t suppose oh so liberal David Baddiel is too pleased this clip survives on YouTube. He has apologised recently – but I wonder if a comedian less favoured by the London media set would have been let off so lightly?
I mentioned this subject to a friend of mine and he said these warnings are on the radio as well, before episodes of programmes like “The Goon Show” and “The Navy Lark”.
You would really have to be determined to be offended to get upset by either of those shows.
Baddiel has got a right pasting from most of his key audience & I doubt his career will recover as quickly as a comedian whose audience is more comfortable with casual racism. Lucky he’s raking it in from Three Lions.
I am saddened by the announcement before Dad’s Army as, considering the sort of comedy on offer at the time, it is unusual in its lack of offensive language or depictions. As a child, I never understood the “fuzzy-wuzzy” reference but, every time Jones utters it, he is shot down by one of the others and made to look silly. The comments about Porridge are spot on. The “Lukewarm” character was sensitively portrayed (for its time) and never as much of a stereotype as Mr Humphries in “Are You Being Served”.
That said, if somebody considers it essential that viewers are warned of language (be that “strong”, ” outdated” or whatever), I am no more bothered than I am when I am warned of flash photography (which I’m also don’t care about, though appreciate that others may be) and I can’t help envying anyone getting worked up about this as they obviously don’t have as many things to worry about as the rest of us!
I can’t help envying anyone getting worked up about this as they obviously don’t have as many things to worry about as the rest of us!
Exactly. The only thing that actually seems to upset people here is a five second warning before a decades old TV programme that you are free to ignore. Who are the ‘snowflakes’ in all of this?
As for Frankie Boyle, the last thing I saw him in was New World Order which whilst I’m sure he was somewhat muzzled by being on the BBC certainly couldn’t be described as PC. I think you’d have to see him live to see him at his full self (or at least his full stand up persona).
Saw Boyle live in Hull, he was rubbish. I suppose if you found Katie Price having a disabled child funny, it may have been vaguely enjoyable.
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“Exactly. The only thing that actually seems to upset people here is a five second warning before a decades old TV programme that you are free to ignore. Who are the ‘snowflakes’ in all of this?”
I did state at the outset that it was not the most urgent issue facing humanity.
However, I do find it grimly amusing that the BBC sees fit to warn everyone about a word in an old sitcom when it:
Covers up the activities of one of its most prominent stars and even broadcasts a tribute to him when two of its own journalists present evidence of his abuse over many years (they had to go to ITV to get the truth broadcast).
Makes baseless accusations against Lord McAlpine.
Smears the name of a prominent singer for no good reason other than a vendetta and then only grudgingly apologises when the case completely collapsed.
Sees fit to have sculptures by Eric Gill on Broadcasting House. Someone who had sex with his sisters, his two eldest daughters and his dog.
But no, Jones saying fuzzy wuzzy is far more shameful…
I don’t mind the warnings. Fine if the gaping mouth types really offended by such material.
I find the broadcasters’term ‘strong language’ a euphemism for lazy language. We all know the words and may use them ourselves occasionally but I wouldn’t use them in a chat to a neighbour over the wall, at a job interview, a visit to the doctor or dentist and I see no excuse to allow indiscriminate f bombing etc.
it is not ‘strong’ language at all.Exactly. The only thing that actually seems to upset people here is a five second warning before a decades old TV programme that you are free to ignore. Who are the ‘snowflakes’ in all of this?
Probably the same as the Brexiteer snowflakes who now exist. The bad EU won’t let us do this/that/other.
No of course they won’t, it’s not in the agreement signed off by the government.
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There’s madness everywhere nowadays – to go off-topic slightly – and I’m so glad not to be growing up with it. Had to turn the car radio off a few days ago when someone was saying “Not all people who menstruate are women, and not all women menstruate.” Sumink to do with trans people and we should not just be calling women mothers
If you are a person that is not capable of understanding that old tv/film/books or any other form of older content for that matter likely contains outdated language/views that are now viewed as unacceptable in today’s world without being told beforehand then I would suggest that you really shouldn’t be watching/reading said content in the first place.
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