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“Cas, I don’t know where your getting your facts from mate, but Sweden with a population
of 10.35 Million have had 15,142 (not 5,000)covid related deaths to date.”BigG, that is the figure now. What I was saying was Professor Ferguson said 100,000 people would die in the first wave in Sweden unless it locked down. 5,000 did.
You are mistaken if you think all scientists and epidemiologists have the same opinion. There are many who have been highly critical of the approach taken over lockdowns and masks, including Nobel Prize winners amongst them. But the media do not want to know them.
Ginger – keep on playing the man if that makes you feel better. But the threat posed by Covid does not merit the heavy handed approach that has been taken by countries which are supposed to be free societies and democracies. You need to have a very high bar to justify the restrictions which have been imposed and in my opinion that bar has not been cleared.
Try actually arguing with the facts I have put before you instead of coming out with petty sneering, with slurs like anti-vax and conspiracy theorist.
This time last year, if someone said there would be things like no jab no travel, no jab no job, vaccine passports or even a European democracy saying it was going to make vaccination mandatory, no doubt they would have been called a conspiracy theorist. But it has come true, hasn’t it?
I don’t take any notice of the BBC, Tank.
I take notice of what scientists and the NHS says.You take too much notice of fake news.
Ginger do you know of any people who died of Covid? and do you know who signed the death certificate?
Ginger
I keep telling you about the science because we were told by governments all over the world that they follow the science. And there is no scientific evidence for vaccine passports brought in
Also look back to last year when pubs and restaurants had to close at 10pm which was a shambles in everyway from the shambles of a scotch egg. Listen to people who ran those business even though they open many of them said were not making money being open and having to close at 10pm rather be closed and get government support
Look at Scotland a few days ago people who run pubs etc there very happy vaccine passports not come in. Because it be a nightmare to implement them also not all customers have a smartphone. Can’t use a plastic card because they can be fake or steal them other people
All the business people in Scotland said happy not bring these passports in we need to live with covid.
I was not sure about the vaccine early on but change mind on it I am not a anti vaxxer. but I am anti vaccine passports put my reasons why in this thread
I answered all your questions two pages back CAS.
Stop using fake news, obvious fake news at that.
Value Is EverythingCas, I’m not having a go at you, but I really would like to know who these scientists or
Epidemiologists are. I’ve put my own view on what I believe and the evidence I’ve seen
directly and reading countless articles, and I don’t mean on the Daily Mail, Sun etc.
I keep hearing these, if not conspiracy theories, then “views” on Governments or some
existing shady collective with plans to take control of the population. People are dying
in vast numbers with a virus and it doesn’t matter if they are predominantly older people,
they deserve the same protection as everyone else. I’m sure you can come up with someone
who holds the title of doctor or scientist who holds a different view to some others, there
always will be, but the overwhelming view in the science and medical community is that the
vaccine is the safest way to protect people, old or otherwise. I know this is inconvenient
to people, young and old, businesses and communities. What possible gain would governments
or whoever else would want to have countries brought to a stillstill. If you think
the authorites don’t know everything about you now, you’re wrong. You can’t walk out your
house generally without being on camera. Even if there isn’t, if you have a mobile phone
they can pinpoint you. They know, if they want to, where you eat who you associate with what
you spend and just about anything else related to you or your family. What possible reason
would they want to destroy communities.I ask this because I’ve been reading, here and elsewhere, of views like some on this forum for
some time, but I never see a reasoned arguement as to why they would want to inflict this on others.
If there is some evidence of this, I genuinely would like to hear it. I’m replying to you because of
your last post, and I don’t have any problem in saying that that Professor Ferguson was a complete
tool and deserved to get the boot, although he says he resigned. Governments, all of them, do some
horrible underhand things, but I don’t see evidence of this enormous concerted effort to basically
crush the public.That’s my view for what it’s worth.
Darren,
You say “we need to live with covid”.
That’s the point.
Yes we do need to live with covid if at all possible.
However, when hospitals are being overwhelmed because of covid patients and – as a result – no or little room for other ailments / treatments. Under those circumstances it is impossible to “live with covid”. Indeed under those circumstances we die with covid. So something needed (and in Europe needs) to be done.Vaccine passports are a way of “living with covid”.
It enables business to keep open, with the vast majority of customers still able to shop. Whilst keeping those most at risk of getting, passing on and ending up in hospital from covid away from those businesses.Value Is EverythingOk. So I’m not really doing any of the things I used to. Cinema, theatre, race meetings, holidays abroad. But that’s my choice. I’m old and vaccinated but I still don’t want to catch the virus so I stick with walking the dog on the beach and watching films at home. My choice. But what I don’t understand is so many people bemoaning their loss of freedom when most people I know seem to be leading pretty normal lives. Can anyone explain to me what, exactly, they can’t do because of this Big Brother control that the state appears to have over them. Can I have examples of the things that they want to do but can’t?
Lol at Ginger
Its like offering a life jacket to someone as you are jumping out of a plane
Still want to win all the arguements whilst offering feeble reasons
This thread is a joke and an insult to anybody with the tiniest working brain cell
Lets all go for a dance
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Moe, the clue is in the thread header. Life could be hell without a vax passport
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Ricky, you’ve been doing well since your return. Please don’t lose focus and slip back into your old ways, old chum
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I can see your old chum(p) gamble hanging around and we know that he wants to sabotage the lounge. You didn’t post for a week or more and have suddenly returned, Ricky. I shall be keeping a close eye on the pair of you. Ya get me?
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Sounds like new jabs all round. not forgetting the booster when they don’t work.
Enjoy
Lol
I was in spain old boy
Im back. No slippage from me. Just wont take rubbish in a serious thread
Apart from that. The pink hippo is wallowing in happy stuff
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