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    Peruvian Chief
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    Looked a bit second rate today haven’t we. Can’t remember a more abject display on Arc day.

    #453901
    Jonibake
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    Looked a bit second rate today haven’t we. Can’t remember a more abject display on Arc day.

    Couldn’t agree more. Perhaps because the French horses are primed for this one day and are fresher than ours?

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    #453904
    Peruvian Chief
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    Looked a bit second rate today haven’t we. Can’t remember a more abject display on Arc day.

    Couldn’t agree more. Perhaps because the French horses are primed for this one day and are fresher than ours?

    Doubt it Joni we’ve pulled plenty of tree’s up before on Arc day. Perhaps the horses are just not good enough, but its a bit odd that there have been so many bitter disappointments.

    I won’t be rushing to back many UK / Ire horses at the Breeders Cup.

    #453910
    J17star
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    It’s one day. Unless you are trying to apply it to a wider context/trend, then what is this observation?

    It’s not as if the UK contingent today was particularly strong. The two year olds we sent aren’t outstanding. Sandiva has excuses, but maybe that is as good as she is.

    Thistle Bird ran very well, whilst Secret Gesture just isn’t that good. Our best fillies didn’t turn up.

    Al Kazeem ran ok, didn’t get the best of runs, but ran ok. Ruler of the World was a little disappointing, but ran on. Leading Light never had a hope in hell of winning an arc. Joshua tree the same.

    Garswood and Gordon both ran very well.

    Context is needed. We didn’t have any outstanding chances going in, didn’t send our best horses by and large, or simply ran into very good horses.

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    I think your comment mainly applies to the juveniles regarding not sending our best horses, and the results were particularly poor. We normally put up a better showing than today.

    I was really wanting to see if anyone thought that the calendar re-shuffle regarding the Ascot "Legends of the Fall" day or whatever it is called, has effected the way our horses are targeted / campaigned.

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    I do beieve

    latitude

    has a say this time of the season. On the whole it’s warmer in France than Britain/Ireland. Horses usually keep their coats/condition longer so generally are in peak fitness for longer in the year than ours. French have an advantage at both Arc day and Breeders Cup. I do

    not

    mean their horses improve; it’s just

    more

    keep

    their form than ours, so the French are more likely to win.

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    J17star
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    I think your comment mainly applies to the juveniles regarding not sending our best horses, and the results were particularly poor. We normally put up a better showing than today.

    I was really wanting to see if anyone thought that the calendar re-shuffle regarding the Ascot "Legends of the Fall" day or whatever it is called, has effected the way our horses are targeted / campaigned.

    I’m not sure what type of response you are expecting. Are you attempting to imply this forms part of a wider predicament of UK/IRISH racing?

    Much of it is circumstance. It hasn’t been a particularly outstanding year for UK/Irish flat racing, and the strongest division (3 yr old mile colts) didn’t participate here. Nor did any of the top 8-12F fillies. The 12F older horse division is very weak this year. It is what it is. Distribution of talent is cyclical.

    It’s far too early to reach any conclusions on the impact of BCD on the Arc meeting. Ground will be a big influence on the decision making process.

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