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Quote from Jeremy Scott in Sporting Life
His trainer Jeremy Scott told At The Races.: "In reality he’s probably just a little bit short of where we’d like him to be, but he seems to have got over that injury."We may lack for a bit of fitness, but there’s plenty of time, so it would be nice to get a run into him now and another one in February and then see where we are.
"The main thing is to get him back safe and sound, have a nice spin round and hopefully have him sound for March."
What does this mean. Is the horse trying or his he just schooling in public.
What chance have the betting public got.Seems perfectly reasonable to me, would you prefer them to say nowt and you be none the wiser?
Who was it who said, as a punter you should "Believe half of what you see and nothing of what you hear"?
would you prefer them to say nowt and you be none the wiser?
You’ll find that when they say nowt you are much the wiser.
Mike
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To be fair, I’ve always found Nichols to be pretty honest in his interviews/stable-tours. He made it pretty obvious he thought a lot of Calipto before the horse had its British debut in a stable-tour before the season started.
Quote from Jeremy Scott in Sporting Life
His trainer Jeremy Scott told At The Races.: "In reality he’s probably just a little bit short of where we’d like him to be, but he seems to have got over that injury."We may lack for a bit of fitness, but there’s plenty of time, so it would be nice to get a run into him now and another one in February and then see where we are.
"The main thing is to get him back safe and sound, have a nice spin round and hopefully have him sound for March."
What does this mean. Is the horse trying or his he just schooling in public.
What chance have the betting public got.What is the problem with that NI?
It means the trainer believes the horse might not quite be 100% fit, but of course
will
be trying to win the race. Scott made a very similar comment just before Melodic Rendezvous’ reappearance at Wincanton… A race he won.
Value Is EverythingIt’s racing, if you don’t intend to win don’t enter the race.
What is all this, ”get a run into him ” or get a blow into him ”??It’s retarded to make such statements if you are to be considered a serious contender. It’s obfuscation at best and pure deceit at worst.
Prepare your horses out of the public gaze and stop p*****g about.
Jeremy Scott is very much a realist and underplays most of his horses – remember him saying Melodic Rendezvous would probably need the run at Wincanton?
Must admit I don’t fully understand why a horse shouldn’t be as fit as possible when appearing on a racecourse.
Trainers can produce their horses cherry ripe for Cheltenham having been put away for 3 months over the winter.
And the likes of Pipe/Henderson/NTD can get them ready to run for their lives after a 2 year lay off.
Most horses won’t be 100% fit in their first race after a lay off, just as most footballers won’t be fully fit until they have had a game or two.
Most horses won’t be 100% fit in their first race after a lay off, just as most footballers won’t be fully fit until they have had a game or two.
That may well still be the case Ken (ie most = over 50%) but that figure is getting less and less. Certainly a large minority of horses are 100% fit first time up. There’s even a significant number of horses nowadays I’d rather back on reappearance than any other time. At their best after long absences and subsequently regressing until another spell on the bench puts them right.
Value Is EverythingThis is the jockeys comment after winning
Jeremy was confident today so I’m glad it came off.
So he had everyone away yesterday. I thought he was a good honest trainer but after this debacle I shall not follow him anymore.
This is the jockeys comment after winning
Jeremy was confident today so I’m glad it came off.
So he had everyone away yesterday. I thought he was a good honest trainer but after this debacle I shall not follow him anymore.
Why on Earth would anyone listen to what an obviously myopic vested interest – a trainer – has to say about the chances of his horse in any particular race?
It just astounds me how much credence is placed on the opinions of these individuals who realistically have very little idea how their horse is going to run and absolutely no idea whatsoever how those of their opponents will perform.
You
are vastly better placed to sum up the chances of any horse in a race (as is your dustman, newsagent, accountant etc etc).
Mike
This is the jockeys comment after winning
Jeremy was confident today so I’m glad it came off.
So he had everyone away yesterday. I thought he was a good honest trainer but after this debacle I shall not follow him anymore.
Know your trainers NI.
Jeremy Scott never has a positive word to say in the press before any race. Many trainers don’t like doing so because they’re superstitious. Stupid I know, but is the same with all sorts of sportsmen. I fail to see why any punter would take any notice when the same negative comments were made before Melodic Rendezvous won at Wincanton. It’s not that he’s doing it deliberately, though PR-wise I agree it doesn’t look good.If not knowing the trainer, one tip for anyone in two minds is to have a look on Betfair. If the horse is priced significantly higher than bookmakers – then you can be fairly certain it’s true (eg Sam Twister last week on the novice chaser reverting to hurdles). If the Betfair price is only a fraction above bookmakers – then there’s probably nothing to worry about. I never saw Melodic Rendezvous more than one price above the top quote of bookies.
There was no way Scott was going to put me off backing MR today.
Value Is EverythingInsiders do not tell outsiders anything but lies, it’s all about keeping the odds attractive. A trainer I used to know was enraged when a tipster he’d welcomed to his yard had the temerity to tip one of the yard’s runners in a race that took place a short time after the stable visit. That tipster was never again invited to the yard in question.
Racing isn’t organised for the peasantry to profit from.
GT has it right. Some trainers are naturally pessimistic, some overly optimistic, some naturally bullish and others prefer to play things down. You have to get to know them and, for me, reading the runes is part of the game.
Betlarge is right too, in as much as it is probably best to ignore everything said by trainers (certain ones at any rate). However, GT is right to highlght Nicholls. He is usually pretty candid about his horses and when he is bullish it is usually a very good sign.
Woolf – I have no idea why you bother following racing at all. If I thought a sport was as corrupt as you clearly think racing is I wouldn’t bother with it.
Its nice to have a devils advocate though …it opens up good debate
carry on wolf , these other guys think they know …but we know you know more
whats the matter with having polarised views folks , or are we that cliquey we cannot stand it !!!!
gee whizz
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