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    Entries out, but no market yet….

    https://www.racingpost.com/racecards/193/navan/2019-11-24/745018

    Doesn’t look to be as much quality this year, but doesn’t make it any easier.

    Attention is drawn immediately to Borice. I thought he was a very impressive winner of The Galway Plate, and there has to be a good chance he hasn’t reached his ceiling. He’ll probably be favourite, and though that wouldn’t be my usual approach, he’s the standout for me right now.

    Stablemate Prince Of Scars is now in the same ownership, having been sold by Gigginstown, and interesting that they’re persevering. He’d want it soft enough, but I’ve always been a fan, and I’d love to see him at a price.

    Gigginstown have plenty other options, and of theirs, I’d be most interested in General Principle. He’s flopped twice in this before, but he really is due, and I maintain he’s better than current mark, for all it’s getting harder to back that up.

    I’ll also keep an eye on these Gigginstown runners….

    Woods Well
    Roaring Bull
    Gun Digger
    Burgas

    Burgas night just be a dark one, and he’s very interesting off a break, and on what we saw behind Discorama this time last year.

    I’ve a feeling we might just see Discorama figure in one of the big Graded Chases this year, and I also think he’ll run in The Gold Cup. Not saying he’ll win it, but I think that’ll certainly be his route. He’d have to go close here to justify that shout, but if he came here instead of Newbury, I think he’ll fare well.

    I’ve given Winter Escape many a good word over the years, but he’s never ended up in something like this. Very good on his day, but he has had issues. I like him, but couldn’t look at him

    He’s the highest profile of the JP Runners, but the likes of…..

    Portmore Lough
    Tower Bridge
    De Name Escapes Me
    Oscar Knight
    The Big Lense
    Spider Web

    shouldn’t be ignored either.

    Haven’t even looked at the other lot from Elliot, while the likes of Chris’s Dream, Minella Fair, Shantou Village, and last year’s runner up, Mr Diablo, all catch the eye as well.

    Borice would be my early shout, but in no rush at all for an early bet.

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    Market up…..

    https://www.oddschecker.com/horse-racing/ante-post-racing/national-hunt/ladbrokes-troytown-handicap-chase/winner

    If Burgas doesn’t get an entry for anything else next weekend, he might be the one at that price, but the 33’s and 40’s for Prince of Scars and General Principle, makes it as confusing as ever.

    Still no bet, but early shortlist…

    Borice 10’s
    Burgas 20’s
    General Principle 40’s
    Prince of Scars 33’s

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    First bet for me is Prince Of Scars 33’s EW, weather forecast looks favourable

    Really want to bet Winter Escape, but I just wonder if he’s going to be perfect for The Paddy Power.

    On the verge of betting Burgas at 20’s as well, but just double checking entries.

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    Discorama for me. I understand they’re planning to put up a 5lb claimer.

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    Where you hear this Westender? I was hoping he might still go to the Ladbroke.

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    Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!

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    https://www.course-specialist.co.uk/racing-news/paisley-park-owner-gemmell-hoping-for-another-number-one-at-ladbrokes-winter-carnival/

    With Navan getting a rain warning i’d imagine they’re planning on running here rather than Newbury who doesn’t at this very early stage look to be getting too much rain. I hope so anyway, i’ve taken the 10s on him.

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    Can’t recall the source but there was mention about Sean O’Keeffe as a possible to ride Discorama at Navan. That’s if he goes there :unsure:

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    Markets for both races certainly suggest he’s coming here.

    Think he’s got a great chance.

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    I like Prince of Scars and he will get more favourable ground this season. The only thing that puts me off is the change of ownership. I don’t think Giggi have ever sold a horse that still had the ability to win a race like this – have they ever accidentally sold one that could still potentially beat theirs? But M&S have enough money not to buy wrecks, and I’m sure Elliott would be keen to foster his relationship with them- especially as Giggi wind down- and not gull them into buying a ruined horse by pretending it retains the ability to win a big race.
    So…why? :scratch:

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    There’s been a few GAG, Folsom Blue was one although he went from Mouse to Gordon.

    POS staying in the yard would give you hope though, as you say especially with M&S buying him. I’d imagine Gigg have just lost patience with the horse with him rarely making the track.

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    I’ll probably cover Discorama here. I really have to, as I can’t say that I think he’ll go Gold Cup, and not back him here.

    Just depends on price though, he’s blue across the boards, and if he did go lower, I might just bet him straight for Cheltenham.

    #1475458
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    I’ve thrown a dart at Paul Nolan’s other one Fitzhenry 20-1.

    #1475473
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    Discorama and Chris’s dream for me

    There form tying in with champagne classic looks rock solid and Chris’s dream is 2-2 at the track

    Discorama will need to jump better though

    #1475496
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    Prince of Scars doesn’t go, so it’s going to be more than planned on Burgas. I’m a little surprised that the 20’s is holding. I’ll go max places with him once the market firms up.

    I totally see the appeal with Chris’s Dream, but I’ll stick with Burgas here, with Discorama as a saver, and a few quid for Cheltenham.

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    Bazza is on Fitzhenry.

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