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Franklino turned over at Aintree.
Any horses we should be looking out for in the next few weeks and months? There’s plenty of names in the antepost lists that I wouldn’t be at all familiar with.
Franklino just got tired.
I wouldn’t rule him out of the picture, Alan is very keen on the horse and holds him in high regard.
Has someone heard about Sollim ?
He was born in the Haras du Puy, we would be happy to have some news.Courtesy of the RP’s Paul Nicholls stable tour from 1st Novemer HDP
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At 16.22hh he looks a 3m chaser already. He’s abig, scopey individual who showed ability on both his starts for Guillaume Macaire in really decent company at Auteuil. He’s backward and won’t be ready yet.From that I’d imagine we won’t be seeing him this side of Christmas and that a couple of runs in novice company in Jan-March time will be the plan for him.
Zarkandar, also trained by Nicholls is a half-brother to Zarkava, and showed a fair level of form on the flat in a copule of starts, and Nicholls has already said "his got some engine."
Can’t really see why Henderson wants to run Grandouet again before the Festival. He doesn’t need the experience and Kempton will pose a totally different test to Cheltenham.
Still find it remarkable that Grandouet is as low as 6/1 and there’s a horse in there at 50’s who’s unbeaten and hammered Grandouet 15 lengths without coming off the bridle…on gd ground aswell which is likely to be similar to what it will be on the day!!
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I take it you mean Maoi Chinn Tire. First off he won at 200/1 so he must be useless
Early season form very often ends up being worth very little. Two Kisses was also in that race and finished in front of Nicky’s and look what he did to him yesterday.
Take Grandouet out and Maoi Chinn Tire form hasn’t had any sort of boost the second being beaten in a 4k hurdle at Musselburgh and the winner of that race was beaten himslef next time out.
Two kisses 3rd would be tailed off after a mile at Cheltenham so the form just doesn’t hold up to the standard required.
Grandouet is a differnt ball game now but I agree 6/1 is stingy as you’d want to be hacking all over that lot just to be going to Cheltenham never mind winning.
Maoi Chinn Tire? Just a pity Haydock was off, that would have answerd a lot of questions. The fact he started at 200/1 means nothing but Grandoauet ran away with Barry Geharty at Wetherby and beat himself. He just took off and BG just let him go. He must have put 20 lengths between himslef and Maoi Chinn Tire before stopping like shot. Fair play to Maoi Chinn Tire he beat a bad lot (the rest) easily that day but we see that sort of thing happen every day. It doesn’t mean you’re a Cheltenham horse.
You’d have to say Granduet beat Two Kisses more impressively yesterday than Maoi Chinn Tire beat him at Wetherby but then who’s to say Maoi Chinn Tire hasn’t improved a stone since then.
Certainly it’s the first rest he’s had since he began his racing career at Folkstone over 5 furlongs in March 2009.Jennie Candlish obviously thinks she got a real find on her hands or would have ran the backside off him while he was in good form. He may just be a lot better than the bookies think. I’ve had a few quid on myself for both the Triumph and the Fred Winter just in case.
Another horse I can’t for the life of me understand why the bookies are being so generous about is Local hero.
AP McCoy has told Steve Gollings to run him in the Cheltenham trial next week as he thinks he could be a Triumph Hurdle horse. AP was so impressed with the horse he tried to buy him for JP McManus.
This is no Two Kisses Grandouet could kick aside, this is a machine and 33/1 looks a steal.
If he runs well without winning he’ll probably end up going to the Fred Winter but it will take a real good one to beat him in the trial IMO. If he wins the trial then he looks certain to go for the Triumph as AP suggested.
Yep, agree with most of that!
Simple fact is…Maoi Chinn Tire is 50’s because it’s trained by Jennie Candlish and not someone a bit better known.
It’s absolutely impossible to know how good the horse is because of it being a sprinter before! It could not won any more impressively at Wetherby whether it was 200/1 or not…
I’ve watched the race numerous times, firstly Alan O’Keefe switched the horse off straight away and gave most of the field quite a few lengths at the start…He was always travelling pretty nicely and when Grandouet kicked coming round the bend most of the field became under pressure almost immediately….Not Maoi Chinn Tire though, he effortlessly closed the gap and went passed Grandouet like he was standing still and went on to win as easy as you like…
Grandouet obviously wasn’t fully tuned up that day and has improved significantly since then, but has been beaten very easily twice now, at Wetherby and by Sam Winner.
What is there to say Maoi Chinn Tire won’t come on a hell of a lot for that? He will surely be a lot better for that first time experience and as you say Jennie Candlish seems to have looked after him and brought him along slowly…She’s an excellent trainer IMO…horses like Cross Kennon, Barafundle, Basford Bob, etc, etc..show she can place horses nicely and bring success.
I’d prefer to back a horse who’s put in an excellent performance on good ground like he has (with potential to imrove) at 50’s, than all these so called wonder horses who have been ripping up Nicholls and Hendersons gallops at less than half that price….Brampour and Plenty Pockets being two that spring to mind!!
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Big, big things were expected of Grandouet at the start of the season, so I wouldn’t try too hard to convince anyone that his first two runs were at all representative of his ability. At Newbury he gave A Media Luz – who would have cantered all over Nicholls’s best juvenile but for falling at Kempton – 17lb and an absolute hammering, and subsequent winner Mark Twain (now rated 134 I believe) was beaten over 20l in receipt of 10lb.
He didn’t beat a great deal at Ascot, but he did it under a penalty and couldn’t have won any easier; I don’t think it’s difficult to argue that 6/1 is still incredibly fair.
The expectation certainly wasn’t there at Wetherby mate because I backed it at 11/8 and it ended up drifting out to 3/1 and getting stuffed…the vibes certainly weren’t there for it that day!
Maybe the key to Grandouet is the ground? It’s raced twice on a sounder surface (gd) at Wetherby and (gd/sft, gd in places) at Cheltenham and been destroyed both times!
With it likely to be better ground come Cheltenham time I’d prefer to be on one at a decent price that has actually put up a decent performance on better ground rather than one at a skinny price who’s been beaten easily twice on it…
Gutted that we lost Haydock because I’d have loved to see Maoi Chinn Tire back up his debut victory by beating Hendersons Gibb River!
Table Mountain is set to make his debut for Hennesey this week.
The weld horse was very impressive on debut and is going to the festival according to trainer.
Looks a shite division so far. Nicholls hype horses have been woeful on the track. Sam winner my hat rubbish the lot of them.
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Grandouet’s unsuccessful attempt to concede weight to Sam Winner was hardly without promise, but his Wetherby defeat is best ignored. It was his first outing in this country, he carried a penalty for his victory in France, he raced keenly throughout and pulled himself to the front far too early; he had nothing left to give.
Big things can be expected of a horse without it being heavily backed every time it runs, especially when it’s trained by someone like Nicky Henderson. Take Oscar Whisky as an example; he’s always been highly regarded, but drifted out to 3/1 from 9/4 at Cheltenham before running all over Any Given Day and Karabak. And how about Overturn? Donald McCain’s early-season suggestion that he was a talented individual was ultimately proved to be correct, but he was beaten on his first four starts over hurdles and wasn’t exactly steamed in to on any occasion.
Maoi Chinn Tire may be overpriced, but I struggle to believe he’s of the same calibre as Grandouet.
[Edited]This isn’t a race I would be having a bet on until the day of it. The horse I like is Marsh Warbler
I watched the Wetherby race for the first time yesterday and although the winner did win easily (having jumped sketchily and taken a hold) I don’t think you can take the result at face value. I doubt Geraghty will be contemplating taking up the running quite so early at the Festival. Why haven’t we seen the winner again – I think it would make far more sense to see him back up that win and take 20/1 rather than take the current 50/1.
Incidently, it appears from today’s Post that Henderson is having a rethink about taking in Kempton before the Triumph. Although he has won on softer ground chances are that quicker ground will suit Grandouet even better.
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