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If she won today it’d be some feat. But where would it take her in the ranks of the immortals? How, indeed, would she fare when judged against Frankel?
She’s no Frankel. To be compared properly with Frankel the filly would have to produce consistent 130 plus performances. Treve has beaten colts easily in the past but she’s never demolished them by eleven lengths, 8 lengths, 7 lengths like Frankel did. Treve is at her very best on soft ground which can also exaggerate winning distances a bit and more flat horses prefer a sounder surface than a softer one.
However, I think there’s a very strong argument for rating her right up alongside and arguably above the greatest fillies of all time.
Treve is a brilliant racemare and I don’t want to knock her, but this seems to me to be a case of another year, another greatest ever.
Will the conveyor belt of greatest ever racehorses never stop?
Always difficult to make comparisons, particularly as Frankel did most of his racing at shorter trips. You would have to think Frankel would be the superior over a mile but over further I am not sure. A bit like the Brigadier Gerard v Mill Reef debate.
Visually, I have been more impressed with Treve. The Arc is a bigger event than anything Frankel ever won and hopefully this afternoon Treve will have pocketed her third win. Personally, I have a feeling that if you swopped an on-song Treve for Cirrus Des Aigles I doubt very much that Frankel would have retired unbeaten.
I do agree with IBRacing. Greatest mare ever maybe but no Frankel in my books. She is truly exceptional on her day but she doesn’t quite have that same aura of invincibility that Frankel had. In fact, I think today is the first time she will start as favourite in the Arc. She also appears to be able to take less racing than Frankel, it’s been top 4 runs a season for her. It’s quite telling that Frankel retired as a four year old unbeaten in 14 runs, whilst today will only be Treve’s 12th run even though she’s five. And, Treve’s place in history will be based on being multiple winner of one great race (even though her Diane win was also mighty impressive), but Frankel put in legendary performances in many a great race (Guineas, Sussex, Queen Anne, Juddmonte). All in all, I can’t really see anything bettering Frankel for decades to come. He wasn’t just brilliant, he was consistently brilliant.
Certainly not ‘greatest ever’ – that’s ridiculous. Even forgetting the lack of versatility (home track soft ground 1m 4f bruiser), I think at least two of the last ten ‘pre-Treve’ Arc winners would have beaten Treve even in her ideal conditions.
I agree with Silvi : you cannot compare horses who excelled at different distances .
Over a mile , obviously Frankel would win ; over a mile and a half ( which Frankel was untried )
then Treve would prevail . Over 1O furlongs , on good ground , Frankel would come out on top –
on soft , it would be very interesting .Treve may not acquire the title , the best ever , but if she succeeds today ,
it is not folly to suggest that she will rightly deserve to be named the best middle distance filly/mare
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Zarkava and Sea the Stars, TYF?
Well, I wasn’t talking about Bago and Rail Link.
Lets not get to carried away in the comparisons with Frankel, this mare has won the best race in the world twice.Before today Treve had won double Frankel’s prizemoney with 2 less starts !!! Her record will go down as far superior to Frankel, he was a great horse and unbeaten but really tested just the once out of his comfort zone. People need to get their one eyed blinkers off and look at facts, 2 less starts double his prizemoney, Frankel won nothing like an Arc. Jarnet butchered her again today, a horrible ride covering more ground then the early settlers.Black Caviar won 25 out of 25 but there were no Arc wins there, Treve is far superior to both Frankel and Black Caviar, anyone thinking different has their blinkers on…. As for Group 1 wins Frankel may have had more and Black Caviar had 15 Group 1 wins but they ain’t the Arc…
Well, the question won’t be asked now. As I said, she’s a super talent, but too vulnerable.
Well, the question won’t be asked now. As I said, she’s a super talent, but too vulnerable.
Yes vulnerable to being ridden badly, no question to answer, she has proven how good she is…
She has proven that she is completely dependent on certain conditions, too. You can’t come into the ‘greatness’ equation if you are so one-dimensional.
Well, the question won’t be asked now. As I said, she’s a super talent, but too vulnerable.
Yes vulnerable to being ridden badly, no question to answer, she has proven how good she is…
No doubt she’s proven how good she is, but can’t see people calling her the greatest ever no matter how much you try to convince yourself of it. For once, Ribot himself won two Arcs plus a King George all whilst staying undefeated in 16 runs.
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She has proven that she is completely dependent on certain conditions, too. You can’t come into the ‘greatness’ equation if you are so one-dimensional.
So you didn’t watch the race!!!! You didn’t see she was 4 and 5 deep all the way whilst the winner had the run of the race on the fence!!!! God spare me !!! Mate her first Arc win was the greatest win in history, by far the best win I have ever seen. But then again she is French and Frankel English…
Well, the question won’t be asked now. As I said, she’s a super talent, but too vulnerable.
Yes vulnerable to being ridden badly, no question to answer, she has proven how good she is…
No doubt she’s proven how good she is, but can’t see people calling her the greatest ever no matter how much you try to convince yourself of it. For once, Ribot himself won two Arcs plus a King George all whilst staying undefeated in 16 runs.
Well anyone who can read a race can tell you today would have been 3 Arc’s if she hadn’t covered lengths more ground than the winner…Well, I guess her trainer can’t a read a race then coz’ she just said on French TV that she couldn’t find any excuse today and that Golden Horn was just too good today anyway. Stop acting so butthurt, Treve got herself beaten by refusing to settle. Jarnet is an excellent horseman and rarely races outwide or produce his horse early. Treve would have pulled even more if left in the pack.
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