Tissue

[The Ledge]

I would be interested in knowing how many of you make your own tissue before having a punt and how you form it i used to always make my own with limited success but a growing family lack of time etc i left this approach alone for a few years but am slowly thinking this is the best approach any pointers would be more than welcome

[dave jay]

Hi The Ledge .. how do you want to make your tissue?

I am assuming you want to come from some sort of points based approach, or you could look at creating a rating in pounds.

There are several ways to do this mathematically, depending on how the rating is arrived at. We have been over this a few times on the forum but a good way of pricing horses in pounds is this;

Give the top rated a score of 20 and then simply deduct the pounds below each horse is rated less than the top rated. Do that for the first four or five in your rating and then divide each individual score by the sum of all of the other scores to get your price.

So the top rated is always 20 and the others are pounds deducted from that.

Hope that helps.

[tbracing]

I used to create my own tissue for quite a while, not so any more. I found it was a good skill to learn and widened my perspective. I think for some people creating a tissue gives them clarity on what sort of order they expect in a race and when to be involved. I find i know what prices i want to be involved with after I’ve assessed a race and have a fair opinion on what constitutes value in my mind. Creating a tissue was adding far to much time to my routine than i liked in the end.

You’ll get some hardcore tissue fans on here who will say it’s the only way to go but it isn’t i think it’s more understanding the concept of value that is important and if that means your wish to make a tissue then fair enough I’m not saying it’s not worth doing because it can be, but it’s not for me

[Burroughhill]

Bless you

[ReasonoverFaith]

It’s something I first did, in a very very amateurish way, about 20 years ago when I read something about the topic in the Racing Post.

In my opinion, a form book is a good starting point and familiarising yourself with that is important. How you interpret the form is something very different.

There are a couple of factors which I ignore when compiling my tissues and as a result in most races I study I can often find what I feel to be value bets. It’s probably a good idea ‘to take a view’ on form and have fairly strong opinions on things otherwise you’ll eventually find your tissue is similar to the bookies’ prices. In my experience, if you follow the traditional methods of form study / handicapping etc you’ll merely reproduce industry prices minus their margins.

The other factor I feel is vitally important is deciding which type of races you want to concentrate on. Over the jumps, I only concentrate on class 2s or better, no novice h’caps, no bumpers. There will be times, like this week for example, when I know I’ll go a fair amount of time without a bet as there are no races I want to look at. On the flat my approach is similar: class 2s and above, no 2YO races, no sprint h’caps. I wouldn’t advocate folllowing my lead in the races I’ve chosen as your method of punting may be successful in these races. A couple of years ago I looked at my bets and the type of races I was successful in and decided to concentrate on those markets. For me, especially on the flat, there’s just too much to cover and I have to accept that the majority of races I won’t play in.

Hope you have a go at it and hope you enjoy it!

[Prufrock]

I wrote something about tissue-compiling here, also picking the brains of others who do this for a living.

http://betting.betfair.com/horse-racing … 41107.html

And elsewhere on that site there is discussion about converting ratings into odds and more besides.

[Andrew Hughes]

Bless you

[The Ledge]

davejay what i cant grasp is if the top horse always gets 20 pts surely the fav price will always be the ?
tbracing how do you select races to back in ?

Reasonoverfaith i really struggle to work out jumps form when horses get beaten 20 lengths and are considered to have run well , but your advice on flat will be heeded
Profrock very good link thankyou

Thankyou all

[carlisle]

Hi gang

in a nutshell…. if you cannot reduce a race down to 4 or 5 realistic contenders, then discard the race (haahahha sorry )

Use class & speed ratings tuned to the prevailing race conditions. Also bear in mind whether you consider the trainer will be trying to win.

In this way you can steadily shuffle and allocate the 100% points up for grabs. Converting these scores into odds is the easy part.

byefrom
Gary

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