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Nobody wants to take him on, so the Arc is down to 5 runners already?
Dream on,ffs!
I’d say that a 138 rating seems fair at this stage. IMO, Sea The Stars needs to win the Arc or BC to earn 140.
But really, the Timeform ratings are somewhat laughable in some areas.
if sea the stars wins the arc next month in the style of dancing brave then fair enough he will deserve to be rated with the very best of all time but remember this is the same sea the stars that ducked out of running in the king george.
Am I right that before the race Fame And Glory was rated by Timeform at 135 Mastercraftsman 130?
Working on 1.5 lbs per length.
Mastercraftsman: Beaten 2.5 lengths by Fame and Glory, so 2.5 x 1.5 = 3.75, call it 4. Roughly what you’d expect.
Take Fame and Glory and Sea The Stars out of the race and Mastercraftsman would have been an easy winner, can’t have him not staying. All three beat the others by the type of distances you would expect on form.They rated Fame And Glory’s Derby slightly better than Sea The Stars (who has improved since). No doubt influenced by Golden Sword’s finishing 5 lengths behind FAG, and less than three behind STS. Though GS possibly flattered at Epsom by racing prominently.
True, FAG has not yet produced the number of top class performances as Galileo; but Timeform ratings are NOT about how many top performances a horse puts up. He has to be rated what they think the individual race is worth; otherwise the ratings fall apart. It is rediculous to suggest STS will only be worth a 140 if he wins the Arc. If the form (one horse rated against the next) of the Arc is not as good as the Irish Champion; he will not deserve a higher rating by winning it.I’d say (at the moment) STS’s performance (length by length) is PROBABLY worth a Timeform rating of 138 or 139. They may have added a lb or two for winning comfortably.
Of course if FAG and Mastercraftsman show themselves as inferior to Timeform’s original rating, then STS’s rating will drop.
At the end of the year most ratings drop anyway. However, STS may still be improving.Value Is EverythingIndividual horse times are published in Ireland, and the pounds-per-length used will have resulted from that and established pounds-per-second allowances.
Yes Gingertipster, I think you are correct. Isn’t it the case that at the end of the season Timeform generally re-evaluate and calibrate and in the process the ratings drop a few lbs?
Quote from towerto "i have sea the stars 160 , i surely made a mistake"
Like that!
Finalised ratings after the Irish Champion are Sea The Stars 140, Fame and Glory 133, Mastercraftsman 129.
Cormack – I believe that used to happen in the early days during Phil Bull’s time, and whilst all performances are reviewed again at the annual stage, a wholesale reduction of ratings isn’t necessary these days.
Corm,
Delegator is currently rated 125+.
125 for a horse that hasn’t yet won a group one?
Not very often a horse gets a ‘+’ after it moves to Godolphin.
Sign of the times, Double N.
Was it just me who felt a small pang of nostalgia from the way the Moyglare was built up in the press?
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