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No doubt they were happy with the horses run in the Derby but that doesn’t mean for one minute SMS thinks his best distance is 12 furlongs.
The fact is he ran twice over the trip and was beaten on both occasions.If he was truly a 1m4f horse nothing in the world will stop SMS from running him over that trip whether Conduit ran in the same race or not.
I don’t know how much proof people need. He runs over 10f three times and is unbeaten. He runs twice over 12f and gets beaten and on the 2nd occasion was regarded as a good thing.
A warm weekend is in store for The Curragh so it could dry out by Sunday.
It’s going to take more than a warm weekend for it to dry out given the amount of rain we’ve had. Even if we were to have no more rain between now and the weekend I’d say we can still only expect similar conditions to those of Soldier Of Fortune’s Derby. (i.e. bordering on unraceable)
Cima de Triomphe is the best option for me. Handles the ground, has the best form and is an each-way price.
No doubt they were happy with the horses run in the Derby but that doesn’t mean for one minute SMS thinks his best distance is 12 furlongs.
The fact is he ran twice over the trip and was beaten on both occasions.If he was truly a 1m4f horse nothing in the world will stop SMS from running him over that trip whether Conduit ran in the same race or not.
I don’t know how much proof people need. He runs over 10f three times and is unbeaten. He runs twice over 12f and gets beaten and on the 2nd occasion was regarded as a good thing.
Ballymacoll Stud have said they will not race against each other. Owners have the last word. If Tartan Bearer was owned by anyone else I reckon he’d be running on Sunday.
Epsom he was hardly beaten by much was he and look where the rest of the field were behind Tartan Bearer 5 lengths and people should never use The 2008 Irish Derby as form.
Bashikrov 50l behind Tartan Bearer at Epsom and only 2 length in The Irish Derby.
Cima de Triomphe is the best option for me. Handles the ground, has the best form and is an each-way price.
Said to miss the race in today’s Post.
This may well turn out to be the weakest Group 1 run for some time. Curtain Call would have been a certainty here- is he injured?Cima de Triomphe is the best option for me. Handles the ground, has the best form and is an each-way price.
Said to miss the race in today’s Post.
This may well turn out to be the weakest Group 1 run for some time. Curtain Call would have been a certainty here- is he injured?Not at all Carv, sent to France last week.
Cumani said he’d go wherever the ground was soft and he may have missed a trick here by running CC on a short distance last week where he was duly outpaced.
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Casual Conquest is almost certain not to run and there’s been a flood of money for Famous Name now 5/2 from 4/1
There must be a huge doubt about thewayyoare getting the trip in this ground and if he wasn’t AOB’s he’d be nearer 6/1 than 5/2 joint fav. If the ground starts drying and becomes tacky and holding I would give this horse no chance.
Surely Lush Lashes wonr run in heavy ground she fininhed nearer last that first the only time she’s ran on it. If she does turn up and does handle the ground I doubt if I will be collecting as she’s the real McCoy and there isn’t many better fillies in training. Having said that, again tacky holding ground won’t help her cause and would surely blunt her finishing speed
If she pulls out Famous Name will start around 11/10 IMO.
There must be a huge doubt about thewayyoare getting the trip in this ground and if he wasn’t AOB’s he’d be nearer 6/1 than 5/2 joint fav. If the ground starts drying and becomes tacky and holding I would give this horse no chance.
Famous last words but this is one of the most overrated horses in training. He’s just not that good. Murtagh says he’s a Group 1 horse – he’s right, he won the Criterium International as a 2yo. I reckon he’ll just end up being another Ace. Constantly finishing in the frame without success. His best chance of a Group 1 this season is in the Queen Anne IMO. Just seems to completely lack stamina. I was at the Prix du Jockey Club last year and even the French weren’t backing him on the PMU. Went off at around 10/1 if I remember correctly.
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No doubt they were happy with the horses run in the Derby but that doesn’t mean for one minute SMS thinks his best distance is 12 furlongs.
The fact is he ran twice over the trip and was beaten on both occasions.If he was truly a 1m4f horse nothing in the world will stop SMS from running him over that trip whether Conduit ran in the same race or not.
I don’t know how much proof people need. He runs over 10f three times and is unbeaten. He runs twice over 12f and gets beaten and on the 2nd occasion was regarded as a good thing.
Ballymacoll Stud have said they will not race against each other. Owners have the last word. If Tartan Bearer was owned by anyone else I reckon he’d be running on Sunday.
Epsom he was hardly beaten by much was he and look where the rest of the field were behind Tartan Bearer 5 lengths and people should never use The 2008 Irish Derby as form.
Bashikrov 50l behind Tartan Bearer at Epsom and only 2 length in The Irish Derby.
That doesn’t chnage the fact SMS was downbeat about the horse as being top class at 12f .
You’re getting a tiny wee bit silly here bringing Bashikrov into the discussion.
What you should be looking at is the horse himself and to a lesser degree the fact Casual Conquest reversed Epsom placing with him.
You’ll find the race in the archives at ATR if you don’t have it saved.
Ryan Moore gave Tartan Bearer a perfect ride and he came there with every chance. He was carried left but he found absolutely nothing in the last furlong and you can plainly see he ran like a horse that failed to get the trip. Frozen Fire who he beat over 1m2f went past him like he’d been shot.
Sure he got away with it at Epsom as the race was run to suit. He got first run on them and Casual Conquest and Dr Fremantle have done very little to boost the form. To this day how New Approach beat him I have no idea as he did absolutely everything wrong that day. He pulled like a pig all the way round and came round Tattenham Corner like he was on buckled wheels.
I don’t know who made the statement you refer to but it most certainly wasn’t SMS who would never commit to such a statement early in the season. No one will ever rush that man into a decision and I don’t care who the owner is.
One of his main targets for the season is the Eclipse and that’s got nothing to do with Conduit and everything to do with the fact he is top class at 1m2f.IMO
No doubt they were happy with the horses run in the Derby but that doesn’t mean for one minute SMS thinks his best distance is 12 furlongs.
The fact is he ran twice over the trip and was beaten on both occasions.If he was truly a 1m4f horse nothing in the world will stop SMS from running him over that trip whether Conduit ran in the same race or not.
I don’t know how much proof people need. He runs over 10f three times and is unbeaten. He runs twice over 12f and gets beaten and on the 2nd occasion was regarded as a good thing.
Ballymacoll Stud have said they will not race against each other. Owners have the last word. If Tartan Bearer was owned by anyone else I reckon he’d be running on Sunday.
Epsom he was hardly beaten by much was he and look where the rest of the field were behind Tartan Bearer 5 lengths and people should never use The 2008 Irish Derby as form.
Bashikrov 50l behind Tartan Bearer at Epsom and only 2 length in The Irish Derby.
That doesn’t chnage the fact SMS was downbeat about the horse as being top class at 12f .
You’re getting a tiny wee bit silly here bringing Bashikrov into the discussion.
What you should be looking at is the horse himself and to a lesser degree the fact Casual Conquest reversed Epsom placing with him.
You’ll find the race in the archives at ATR if you don’t have it saved.
Ryan Moore gave Tartan Bearer a perfect ride and he came there with every chance. He was carried left but he found absolutely nothing in the last furlong and you can plainly see he ran like a horse that failed to get the trip. Frozen Fire who he beat over 1m2f went past him like he’d been shot.
Sure he got away with it at Epsom as the race was run to suit. He got first run on them and Casual Conquest and Dr Fremantle have done very little to boost the form. To this day how New Approach beat him I have no idea as he did absolutely everything wrong that day. He pulled like a pig all the way round and came round Tattenham Corner like he was on buckled wheels.
I don’t know who made the statement you refer to but it most certainly wasn’t SMS who would never commit to such a statement early in the season. No one will ever rush that man into a decision and I don’t care who the owner is.
One of his main targets for the season is the Eclipse and that’s got nothing to do with Conduit and everything to do with the fact he is top class at 1m2f.IMO
Man, you realise Alessandro Volta injured Tartan Bearer in this race which came infected and ended up losing its tail, the very reason he was out of action all that time, its totally a waste of time using the race to justify your point here.
The interference came once Tartan Bearer was taking the lead, I have seen the many a time, it was one of the farcial races of last year. How can you create momentum going in diagonal lines.
And at Epsom Tartan Bearer is a reknowned lazy horse at home and in his races, he stuffed Casual Conquest cause he is by far a better horse, hence why he stuffed him at Epsom, and Tartan Bearer started his run from home joint last with Maidstone Mixture and many horses made their move before him. In the end he was just beaten by the better horse.
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Did you watch the race? Don’t ask me "How can you create momentum going in diagonal lines." Ask the Jockey on Frozen Fire who had also to go miles left behind Tartan Bearer to avoid running over the top of him. Really stopped him from gaining momentum
You ever watch Sea Bird II in the Arc? he ran across the full width of the track and still ran way from his field. It doesn’t help any horses cause but it doesn’t stop them like he clearly did.
If Tartan Bearer is a much superior animal to Casual Conquest he certainly wasn’t showing it that day. Just before the incident there was nothing between them and if anything CC was coming back at him until he got stopped in his tracks.
Despite that he still finished in front of Tartan Bearer.
You are making an excuse for the horse he got injured. I doubt if that had the effect you claim.
From personal experience you can get a knock when you are in full flow and the adrenaline is up. You will barely notice it yet 20 minutes later you won’t be able to stand. I
Anyway lets see how many races Tartan Bearer runs over 1m4f this season and how many he wins. My money is on a big fat zero.
I can’t really change your opinion it seems, cause for one I will never use the Irish Derby as form cause its a joke simple as and anyone who uses it as such well more fool them, the St Leger proved in someways the race was an entire write off. The Irish Derby he was a victim of Ballydoyle team tactics which I have always believed.
You need to accept Tartan Bearer was taking the lead when the interfernce happened, Frozen Fire DID NOT have to go miles left he did to some degree and but clearly you are exaggerating here, he had to go left how badly Alessandro Volta was taking Tartan Bearer, remember in the Dante when Frozen Fire produced his turn of foot Tartan Bearer who suffered no interference held him off that day with ease. Since you like to use Sir Michael to prove your point he was furious what happened after The Irish Derby.
And to say I’m making an excuse about him getting injured is beyond belief, the race that made him miss 10 months cause of injury and made him lose his tail is pretty extradoniary.
Epsom Derby, the race proves he stays, to use the Irish Derby you can only laugh and is very selective, the Epsom Derby he stayed better than 14 other horses, made a good run from the outside then Moore thought he probably had the race won until Kevin Manning got the rail and was able to get a bit in front and once Tartan Bearer (who was just getting his head in front of Casual Conquest) got a view of New Approach he quickend again and was able to cruise past Casual Conquest, this is why he is better than Casual Conquest as he was able to chase the winner.
And if you think you doesn’t stay on which the Epsom Derby and his pedigree says he does then nothing can change your opinion, remember Tartan Bearer’s career has mirrored his brothers career in some ways and we all know he could stay 1m4f .
So bascially he can’t stay 1m4f cause he should of won The Sir Michael Stoute was actually talking downbeat about him staying 1m4f even though after Sandown he said he will now be entered in 12f races. I hope you do put some money on it cause there is a very good chance you will be proved wrong.
Anyway lets see how many races Tartan Bearer runs over 1m4f this season and how many he wins. My money is on a big fat zero.
I agree with you there, at least in Group 1s.
the St Leger proved in someways the race was an entire write off. The Irish Derby he was a victim of Ballydoyle team tactics which I have always believed.
How did the St. Leger prove that? Because Frozen Fire ran badly? He’s a shockingly inconsistent horse who turns up when he feels like it. 3 times in Group 1s he’s disappointed as a market leader. New Approach would have won the Derby by a good few lengths had he not pulled and been messing around, and I suspect that Frozen Fire simply put in a similar quality performance at The Curragh. He was affected just as much as Alessandro Volta, Tartan Bearer, etc, and still won fairly cosily.
And to say I’m making an excuse about him getting injured is beyond belief, the race that made him miss 10 months cause of injury and made him lose his tail is pretty extradoniary.
How is that relevant? I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make tbh.
once Tartan Bearer (who was just getting his head in front of Casual Conquest) got a view of New Approach he quickend again and was able to cruise past Casual Conquest, this is why he is better than Casual Conquest as he was able to chase the winner.
At least he’d have gotten closer to Bronze Cannon
Its complete and utter garbage to say Frozen Fire was affected like Tartan Bearer in the Irish Derby (I dont recall Frozen Fire being dragged from the rail to the other side of the track and I dont remember Frozen Fire being barged like a rugby player doing a rugby tackle), he was able to finish like a train cause of what was happening in front, if the interference never have happend it is of high probablity Tartan Bearer and Curtain Call could have left Alessandro Volta and he rest of the field for dead, just like what happened at Epsom with Tartan Bearer andd New Approach in the Derby.
I think Tartan Bearer’s race bar the laughable Irish Derby have the same kind of pattern, holds up then chases the field in the straight and usually just keeps his head in front.
Do people forget Golan won a G1 at 1m4f?
Its complete and utter garbage to say Frozen Fire was affected like Tartan Bearer in the Irish Derby
, he was able to finish like a train cause of what was happening in front
http://www.attheraces.com/VideoConsole/ … 29_05_1550
I strongly recommend you watch again.
Anyway lets see how many races Tartan Bearer runs over 1m4f this season and how many he wins. My money is on a big fat zero.
I agree with you there, at least in Group 1s.
What a load of B******s, Tartan "Virtually" wins the Derby and you pair think he wont run over a 11/2m again! Without me mentioning the King
George, who do you think is going to run in the Arc when Conduit goes back to the Breeders Cup! In my humblest of opinions anyone who thinks
11/4m i his ideal trip is clueless, he needs 11/2m, watch the Sandown race again its blatantly obvious he was only just getting into top gear when the race was over!After viewing this again for the umpteenth time the race still does not change my opinion, Frozen Fire pretty much avoids all the chaos that happens and makes a overtaking manouver that makes you think he is hampered as badly as 3rd place, a joke of a race and a joke that people use it to say he can’t get 1m4f.
No intereference and Tartan Bearer would have probably won that race, if Frozen Fire had joined him he’d have probably kept his head out in front.
We will have to agree to disagree because the race is diabolical and a complete show of team tactics.
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