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    With the chance that Winter may go for the Irish Champion, I felt it was worth having a bet on Qemah at 7/1 for the Matron Stakes.

    The Matron is the softer option but I feel Winter has little more to prove in against her own sex and why not have a go against the colts.

    Jean-Claude Rouget had a season to remember last year but only Brametot did the business for him this season with two classic wins by the hairiest of margins.

    Qemah was well documented as being nowhere near ready on her first start but she came home next time to win a group 2 that had been stinking the place out since but at least Aljazzi won last weekend to give a tiny boost. Qemah probably ran better next time when recording her worst ever finishing position of 4th in Group 1 company behind Roly Poly. Beaten by three short heads that day, she was giving 8 lbs to Roly Poly and it is hoped she will be somewhere near her best now.

    I think Qemah can reverse the form with Roly Poly and at 7/1, compared to 3/1, I felt she was better value than the O’Brien filly who was in the wilderness for a while before finding some of her best form of late.

    The bet probably depends a lot on Winter not showing up but I cannot escape the notion that Qemah could be right there if at her best again.

    I tried the French filly at 7/1 to upset the locals.

    Matron Stakes Qemah 7/1

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

    #1316686
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    Qemah should reverse form with roly poly the 3lbs swing should be enough to do so

    Hard to see obrien NOT being confident with churchill against that field so far so dont see winter going the champion route

    Wouldnt back anything in this antepost as its throwing money on the basis winter dosent show up and i find it hard to believe she wont, if she does come here youll get much bigger the prices you are just now if you genuinely feel they could beat her

    I dont really back evs shots but what price would she be should come here ? 1/2? 2/5? Evs could look like a bargain in a couple of days time and 7/1 qemah would likely turn into 10/1 +

    I think theyll possibly send hydrangea champion with churchill and c.o.m

    Winter rhododendron and roly poly in this

    Wont be backing anything antepost as theirs far too many doubts, but should winter not turn up ill back rhododendron 6/1 just now is slightly tempting

    If winter does ill take the f-c with rhododendron

    Not really a betting race for me

    #1316687
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    I’m not sure, boys.

    Most are predicting the ground to be pretty desperate at the weekend. AOB seems convinced Churchill doesn’t like it soft and we know Highland Reel hates it, so you can see why they’ve left Winter in the big one.

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    Sea Of Grace at 12/1 seems worth a little go. The ground shouldn’t be an inconvenience and if Winter diverts to the Champion and Roly Poly unlikely to run/perform on soft ground I can see her going close.

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    Winter looks a huge banker and the only doubt is if the Nassau has left a mark. If not she should win and I suspect the way the Irish champion has cut up she would have won that but the lads want Churchill to win that.

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    Does anyone else think that WUHEIDA is massively over-priced at 20/1? Considering Roly Poly is about 5/1, and in the Falmouth Wuheida travelled really well when needing the run, her price just seems wrong to me.

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    A bit miffed that Sea Of Grace has been diverted but I hey ho.

    I’ve now piled into Winter at evens. My biggest bet of the weekend.

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    AOB has stated that Winter will come on for the run after getting a bruised foot after Goodwood. I’d be a bit nervous about backing her at evens with that in mind.

    I’ve gone for Wuheida. 20/1 is far too big. She’s only ran four races in her career so is still unexposed, three of those were in Group 1 company, in which she was won once and placed twice. She didn’t stay the 13 furlongs of the German Oaks, but before that travelled the best in the Falmouth when having the widest trip and needing the run. I think she will at least reverse the form with Roly Poly, but I think the conditions will suit her perfectly and wouldn’t surprise me if she were to get into the frame.

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    Winter for me and was going to have an ew saver on Rhododendron till I saw the jocks booked up. Might side with Gosdens filly as my saver

    #1317035
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    I would’ve thrown winter in a multiple at evens but o briens admission that she will come on for the run sounds honest enough. So I won’t be playing.

    Good luck anyone with bets

    #1317040
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    I would’ve thrown winter in a multiple at evens but o briens admission that she will come on for the run sounds honest enough. So I won’t be playing.

    Good luck anyone with bets

    Off putting

    #1317082
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    Rhodendreon W/O Winter is my bet for this race…

    #1317092
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    I’m in agreement MOM, Degaussed and Ham, O’Brien’s words, albeit honest ones,
    are a bit disconcerting. I stuck her in a treble with Harry Angel (he was awesome)
    and Churchill a few days back so not much more I can do about that. I’ll
    just have to sit it out and hope for the best.

    #1317109
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    Well Winter did get beaten and that’s disappointing to see them undercooked in a big race. Qemah never had a prayer, pulling far too hard and anchored a mile off the action at the back. She did run on eventually but I have never seen a season for French horses being suckered so many times. The Godolphin one the other day stuffed the favourite from the front and the Even money French horse just could not get there from a waiting ride.

    Anyway, Winter will no doubt get back on track next time, Persuasive and Wuheida ran pretty well and Roly Poly is surely worth a try at shorter.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

    #1317114
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    That hurt the wallet good and proper. There’s no doubt in my mind that Winter was the best horse in the race though and her Champion’s Day target depends on how Churchill get’s on in 20 minutes I assume.

    It might not be worst idea in the world to chuck Hydrangea at the QE2 herself, I can’t see many other races suitable for her. The Sun Chariot could come into plans and they may send her out to the Breeders Cup at the end of the year.

    #1317115
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    That hurt the wallet good and proper. There’s no doubt in my mind that Winter was the best horse in the race though and her Champion’s Day target depends on how Churchill get’s on in 20 minutes I assume.

    It might not be worst idea in the world to chuck Hydrangea at the QE2 herself, I can’t see many other races suitable for her. The Sun Chariot could come into plans and they may send her out to the Breeders Cup at the end of the year.

    I think that was Hydrangea’s peak, to be honest. She’d ideally want a turning mile and soft ground. I’m not sure where she gets that now. I can see her turning up in the Sun Chariot and possibly the Breeders Cup, but I’ll be amazed if she wins either.

    Personally, I thought Persuasive was the best in this. To run on like she did, when it seemed nothing else was making any ground, was stunning. I’d love to see her in the QE2.

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