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- July 12, 2009 at 00:40 #239197
It was almost put to bed until the
7-14
figures emerged!
Thanks Drone, Gooch was obviously a jammy git on occasions!
Found it, Andrew Hughes look away now it was against your lot –
Essex v Worcestershire in the County Championship June 1982 at Ilford, three day match.
Gooch 11 overs 5 maidens 14 runs 7 wickets.
The victim’s – MJ Weston, DN Patel, PA Neale, DB D’Oliveira, JD Inchmore, H Alleyne and AP Pridgeon.
Charles Darwin to conquer the World
July 12, 2009 at 00:47 #239200A glorious day in Worcestershire’s history.
My memory may be playing tricks on me, but did I see Gooch doing impressions of other bowlers during a Test match – presumably a game that was all but over?
July 12, 2009 at 00:51 #239202Not sure on that Andrew but to be honest i thought i could remember him bowling off-spin.
Charles Darwin to conquer the World
July 12, 2009 at 01:20 #239210He may have dabbled in off spin, but I didn’t see it. I remember a short run-up and a nautical roll to the wicket, affording us a glimpse of his bald patch. Ponting and Ganguly are similar.
July 12, 2009 at 03:39 #239222More newbie questions (the 4th is from reading the BF forum too much I admit)
Sorry for harping on but is "swing" to do with before the ball bounces or movement after the bounce?
How can the pitch determine what a ball does before the bounce?
What is the difference between swing and spin?
Why is Broad still allowed to play? To paraphrase Fr Ted, did he win a competition – "collect 10 crisp packets and bowl for England"!
July 12, 2009 at 06:00 #239225More newbie questions (the 4th is from reading the BF forum too much I admit)
Sorry for harping on but is "swing" to do with before the ball bounces or movement after the bounce?
How can the pitch determine what a ball does before the bounce?
What is the difference between swing and spin?
Why is Broad still allowed to play? To paraphrase Fr Ted, did he win a competition – "collect 10 crisp packets and bowl for England"!
Aye, I’ll get this

A good swing bowler will get the ball to move in the air usually before it pitches, but idealy, it could also start to swing just before it pitches which, I can only imagine, is a right bugger to bat against. Another factor is humidity which creates drag resulting in movement in the air, if of course, the bowler is good enough to utilise the conditions (not unlike Goochy!)
The pitch will never determine what the ball does before it pitches; spin generated by the bowler can only do that with humidity merely enhancing the effect.
Spinners will generally bowl alot slower than seamers with more emphasis on the ball moving once it bounces, although the good spinners (Warne…..etc!) will create ‘drift’ which is basically slow swing before the ball pitches and ultimately turns (see the greatest delivery of all time by Warne on Youtube).
Think of all the ways one could manipulate a sphere with either hand or foot, i.e, football, tennis etc – it’s no different with a cricket ball really.
I dunno about the current Broad but Chris Broad was a favourite of mine back in the day with his cheeky baseball stance. Nutter.
Coat on , I’m off
July 12, 2009 at 12:09 #239235Why is Broad still allowed to play? To paraphrase Fr Ted, did he win a competition – "collect 10 crisp packets and bowl for England"!
Very good

I only have the highlights as my guide admittedly, which are rarely kind to bowlers concentrating as they do on cover drives and the like, but I too thought Broad was woeful; though England’s other bowlers were only ’20 packet’ players anyway. A combination of the spinners utilising ‘one day’ flat medium pace and wayward longhops and half volleys from the seamers.
The technique of the Oz batsmen puts ours to shame. Look and learn Cook & Bopara with your hideous front foot shuffles
July 12, 2009 at 12:42 #239237David, cricket balls don’t bounce when bowled they ‘pitch’ – (there you got me wriggling around in the keep-net
)Here is a good site to explain the basics Swing Bowling[/color:1bpyoqdd]
Drone, my first memory of cricket is watching Boycott bowling with his hat on – that was just before going to watch Barry Richards, Gordon Greenidge and Malcolm Marshall at Hampshire – what great memories.
July 12, 2009 at 13:21 #239240My memory may be playing tricks on me, but did I see Gooch doing impressions of other bowlers during a Test match – presumably a game that was all but over?
Found a piece saying he did do impressions most famously in 79 vs India. Imagine if Gooch was still around today, he would be on the injury table with a bad back coping Caddick’s run up and a broken arm, collar bone and wrist doing a Malinga.
Charles Darwin to conquer the World
July 12, 2009 at 13:25 #239242
July 12, 2009 at 20:32 #239307Gripping stuff is this and what cricket is all about, give me this over twenty20 every day of the week!
Come on England!
July 12, 2009 at 21:05 #239311Gripping indeed, wish I could see it

Come on the Draw!
July 12, 2009 at 21:07 #239312Arghh!
July 12, 2009 at 21:47 #239319Get in, what a fightback!
July 12, 2009 at 23:35 #239345Hurrah!
I did enjoy the spurious visit of the physio to check on the wellbeing of Anderson and Panesar. Got Ricky good and cross.
All jolly good fun, backs to the wall and that sort of thing.
Unfortunately chaps, if we want to reclaim that urn thing we have to actually win a game. Thinking cap on, Mr Strauss.
July 13, 2009 at 00:09 #239350I’m no lip reader but i’m fairly sure Punter advised Englands 12th man to go forth and multiply during Physios said superfluous visit!
July 13, 2009 at 00:33 #239354Good questions David. hope u r enjoying the greatest game of all. Cricket is so fascinating that even questions reagrding why balls swing or not cannot be definitively answered.
This was test cricket at its best. extraordinary stuff and 20/20 will never match that because the context is simply not there
The aussies are true test cricket purists, almost spurning the shortened game to ensure that the real stuff remains tantamount to their ambitions
Nathan…embruey was a very bland spinner. he was all economu no wickets for much of his latter career. I liked him but thats what his game was
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