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Quote: from yeats on 7:01 am on Oct. 2, 2006[br]Thought it was a very uninspired ride, he looked to lack the confidence he has shown when riding him in Japan, had him far too close to the pace and wasn’t what you would call power packed in the final 2 furlongs. Didn’t get beat far and would have gone much closer with someone like Frankie on top imo.<br>
Being off the pace ina slowish race wouldnt be that clever. The race was a totally different affair to the Japanese races.
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If you want to look at questionable rides, the Arc is certainly the race, but not Yutaka Take.
Lemaire and Dettori, both gave their mounts poor rides, holding them both up at the back off a slow pace. What Dettori was thinking (being aboard a St. Leger winner) is beyond me, whilst Lemaire’s ride aboard Pride clearly cost her the race.
And yes, I am talking through my pocket. :angry: <br>
Quote: from SirHarryLewis on 6:29 pm on Oct. 2, 2006
Being off the pace ina slowish race wouldnt be that clever. <br>
Didn’t do Rail Link & Pride that much harm, in fact the time wasn’t that slow, they went a sensible pace.
Yes, Timeform do check times against video.<br>You also have to do this for all Irish races.<br>USA a lot of sectionals are pure fiction.<br>When Raceform and Sporting Life etc were independent you could spot printing typos in race times by comparing one against the other. Now you really need to retime all the important races by computer.
Thanks for the info Robert
makes me wonder how much info like this has actually got put in the formbook without being checked
In one of Nick Mordin’s books he mentions an Irish meeting where the last 3 races were run over the same distance and all were given the exact same time! He reckoned that the timer had decided that he was finishing at 5:30 (last 2 races went off after this time) and that nobody would ever notice.
I backed Pride, so believe me when i say that Pride really just didn’t hack it on the ground. Lemaire didn’t do anything wrong.
As for Take – I have never seen a weaker finish. Shocking.
As for messr Dettori, I was there just as he brought the horse back to Noseda towards the parade ring. He said he had him in a good position, but felt flat throughout the race and had nothing to give.
don’t know how you can say that a filly who ran the race of her life didn’t hack it on the prevailing ground. The slow pace favoured the speed horses, with first and second both coming from well back, so I don’t think you can blame the ride. Take didn’t have much choice but to lie handy on a horse who has won over two miles- it was no surprise he hadn’t the pace for the final fulong sprint, though I agree he rides a finish like J.P. Magnier.
Hurricane Run doesn’t exactly love quick ground, but still managed to win the Diamond Stakes on it……
Horses can still run well without loving the ground, which is what I think happened with Pride.
Oh my God! What a superb weekend, just got back from gaye Paris. All paid for courtesy of Fabre, Pasquier and FSL.
Pleased to say I got a fair wedge on at 23.6/1 on the pmu, but FSL it was here that I first heard of Rail Link.
Thnak you.<br>
Quote: from empty wallet on 12:28 pm on Oct. 2, 2006[br]Incorrect racetimes, wrong going descriptions
Makes me wonder that maybe the formbook could be a total fabrication
And may the RP’s less than punctilious checking of going and times be in part responsible for Topspeed figures being wildly at odds with Timeform’s and – it would appear – the late EC’s.
Does anyone know (Prufrock?) why Timeform do not return timefigures for French and Irish Pattern races. Can’t see why not as they must have a wealth of time data by now.
From RP website
"MISINFORMATION is a daily pitfall in horseracing data"
Spot on Willo, a ridiculous situation in this technological era
I don’t work there any longer, drone, so it’s not really my place to comment. There are an awful lot of issues regarding race length, dolling out and wind even before you get to the race times themselves. I reckon it’s worth the effort for a few of the best courses in Ireland and France, but I could understand if someone else did not.
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