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Roger Charlton has got himself into
After running scared of the Japanese Superstar who finished last Roger has now come out and said of Time Test “We wanted to run in the Prince of Wales and, on reflection, I think he probably would have won” well Roger dear boy you pulled your horse out far too early because of in Roger’s words taking on ‘the best horse in Europe’.
Worse was to come and
I nearly choked however on my buxton water earlier whilst Roger was being asked about Fair Eva. Now there was myself expecting Roger to put both his hands in the air and say I made a mistake in running her over the 6f again but NO Roger says after her run at Ascot he had no choice but to run her.At least I suppose it’s easier to clean up the water off the laptop than my other choice of drink in which I was thinking of having, a banana milkshake, but don’t ask Roger eh.
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They are not running Time Test in next month’s Champion Stakes either.
In what has been described as a “Frustrating Year” for the horse, it was revealed that Time Test is “On Holiday” at the moment. It’s a hard life eh?
They have no plans for when or where the horse will run next. Nobody seems to know whether he will stay in the UK or go to America.
As far as I am concerned, the horse just isn’t good enough and they are looking for weak black type to put on his CV. Every time something half decent looks like running, the “Fluttering of the clapper valve” commences and the retreat flag is run up the pole.
It seems to be a very poor state of affairs when all these targets are being missed and they don’t even have any targets now. Whatever happened to Plan B? They don’t even have a bloody Plan A now
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
How Time Test needs a ‘holiday’ is beyond me I think catastrophe is a good word for it
Has ran three times this season and two of those were ‘prep runs’ for a target and the other on unsuitable going which is strange as they never ran him in Ireland after the travelling over there for what ended up the same going but didn’t run in the International on going to suit.
Perhaps the Sun came out and Time Test said to Roger ‘sod this lark for a game of soldiers’ and packed his suitcase, I hear Roger did call him back before Time Test had handed over his passport at Gatwick and say “enjoy your holiday, but do you really need the swimming trunks, you know you don’t like getting your toes wet”Blackbeard to conquer the World
What a shame that John Gosden didn’t get to train Fair Eva she would still have her unbeaten record and and would never have run against Queen Kindly.
Also she’s just the sort of filly that Sir Henry Cecil would have nurtured and turned into a Superstar 3yo.
I don’t know why Prince Khalid doesn’t move both his horses to a proper trainer not one who seems to constantly turn a blind eye to what is staring him in the face. Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...What a shame that John Gosden didn’t get to train Fair Eva she would still have her unbeaten record and and would never have run against Queen Kindly.
Also she’s just the sort of filly that Sir Henry Cecil would have nurtured and turned into a Superstar 3yo.
I don’t know why Prince Khalid doesn’t move both his horses to a proper trainer not one who seems to constantly turn a blind eye to what is staring him in the face. Probably because the owner and owner’s racing manager know more about both horses (and trainer) than you do Jac.
Value Is EverythingHow Time Test needs a ‘holiday’ is beyond me I think catastrophe is a good word for it
Has ran three times this season and two of those were ‘prep runs’ for a target and the other on unsuitable going which is strange as they never ran him in Ireland after the travelling over there for what ended up the same going but didn’t run in the International on going to suit.
Perhaps the Sun came out and Time Test said to Roger ‘sod this lark for a game of soldiers’ and packed his suitcase, I hear Roger did call him back before Time Test had handed over his passport at Gatwick and say “enjoy your holiday, but do you really need the swimming trunks, you know you don’t like getting your toes wet”Time Test came out of the International because the horse was not right, nothing to do with ground. Wasn’t showing anything like his usual turn-of-foot in home work. Giving the horse time to recover (a “holiday”) is exactly the right thing to do. Would you rather Charlton run Time Test when clearly under the weather Nathan?
Value Is EverythingBut not as much as you Ginge.
Charlton was weak at the knees at a drop of rain he said the horse needs firm going
Now he’s saying
‘we’d have won in Ireland’
‘We’d have won at Ascot’Then he ran him in the Eclipse on going he’d have taken him out previously but perhaps he thought ‘We’d win at Sandown’ they lost
running him in the Eclipse on going not suited is possibly more the reason why the horse is on holiday than his run at York which he ran a gallop short of a picnic and ended up having a bit of a duel with Mondialiste that possibly finished him and in doing so he missed the International race on going he’d had been waiting for. I’m not saying he’d have beaten Postponed but it would have finally seen him run in a group 1 in his ideal conditions.
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Yes, the horse should not run if the horse is not right
Charlton messed up as to why the horse was not right is what I’m sayingBlackbeard to conquer the World
To go from running on unsuitable going in a tough group 1 race to next time up running a gallop short so having to work hard again to beat off a good horse has done Time Test in so it’s no wonder he was not working well before the International.
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You don’t half talk bull…. Nathan.
The horse was working well until disappointing a week before the International.Value Is EverythingIt’s Charlton who is talking Bull
He didn’t run him at Ireland or Ascot because of unsuitable going yet runs in the Eclispe
and instead of holding his hands up and saying ‘my bad’ he has the audacity to now say he’d have won the two he did’nt run in.Instead of saying ‘I bottomed Time Test out’ he has used other words such as he’s not working very well
Blackbeard to conquer the World
If it was a case of ‘not working well’ then for Charlton it should be easily enough of a problem to sort out, maybe not before the International but for now, yet he’s gone on holiday. Loads of horses have spells of not working well they all don’t go on holiday.
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If he is now saying the horse would probably have won the Prince of Wales then he made a mess of things because
A) He pulled him out far too soon instead of walking the course on the day and
B) He got his prediction of the Japanese horse completly wrong and had brown pants for nothingBlackbeard to conquer the World
I suspect the answer lies somewhere in between your views Nath and Mark!! He certainly is a frustrating horse. Having seen him win so impressively at Newbury at the start of last year, I felt sure he was Group 1 material. However, evidence would suggest that he is just slightly short of that level. It was no disgrace beating the subsequent Arlington Million winner last time but it was certainly a bit of a head-scratcher when Roger ran him on that soft ground in the Eclipse. He has not been very consistent with the horse and it is indeed a shame when they missed races because of the opposition. Clearly the horse is not right now so probably best to draw stumps. Perhaps we will see him in Dubai over the winter – conditions might suit over there.
As for RC – the professionals are unanimous that he is a top trainer. I guess we all make mistakes and he is no different. I agree that JG or Sir Henry probably wouldn’t have run Fair Eva in the Lowther and I just hope that it hasn’t mucked her up. We’ll find out when she runs in the Rockfel.
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What a shame that John Gosden didn’t get to train Fair Eva she would still have her unbeaten record and and would never have run against Queen Kindly.
Also she’s just the sort of filly that Sir Henry Cecil would have nurtured and turned into a Superstar 3yo.
I don’t know why Prince Khalid doesn’t move both his horses to a proper trainer not one who seems to constantly turn a blind eye to what is staring him in the face. Probably because the owner and owner’s racing manager know more about both horses (and trainer) than you do Jac.
I can’t argue with that Ginge, of course they do and I respect that but we are entitled to our opinions and to sound off a little if we feel unhappy about something. They don’t always get it right and Nathan has brought up genuine
concerns that the trainer has stated that Time Test would have won if he had run..surely if he were your horse Ginge those alarm bells would have started to sound.
If the horse is not right and needs the rest then so be it, I would hate anything to happen to him just because they ran him when he was not sound.
However, if I were lucky enough to own Fair Eva she would have been straight to JG’s yard after The Lowther
JacThings turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...They are not running Time Test in next month’s Champion Stakes either.
In what has been described as a “Frustrating Year” for the horse, it was revealed that Time Test is “On Holiday” at the moment. It’s a hard life eh?
They have no plans for when or where the horse will run next. Nobody seems to know whether he will stay in the UK or go to America.
As far as I am concerned, the horse just isn’t good enough and they are looking for weak black type to put on his CV. Every time something half decent looks like running, the “Fluttering of the clapper valve” commences and the retreat flag is run up the pole.
It seems to be a very poor state of affairs when all these targets are being missed and they don’t even have any targets now. Whatever happened to Plan B? They don’t even have a bloody Plan A now
If Juddmonte want a Group 1, any Group 1 out of Time Test, and , that is no guaranteed, send him to Chad Brown in the US. Alternatively, drop the loyalty to Charlton (Juddmonte have always been loyal to most of their trainers) and send him to Gosden or Stoute (even then, there is no guarantee)
I would not mind, but Charlton has done well this season, especially with the other Juddmonte horses, bar his mistake with Fair Eva
They are not running Time Test in next month’s Champion Stakes either.
In what has been described as a “Frustrating Year” for the horse, it was revealed that Time Test is “On Holiday” at the moment. It’s a hard life eh?
They have no plans for when or where the horse will run next. Nobody seems to know whether he will stay in the UK or go to America.
As far as I am concerned, the horse just isn’t good enough and they are looking for weak black type to put on his CV. Every time something half decent looks like running, the “Fluttering of the clapper valve” commences and the retreat flag is run up the pole.
It seems to be a very poor state of affairs when all these targets are being missed and they don’t even have any targets now. Whatever happened to Plan B? They don’t even have a bloody Plan A now
If Juddmonte want a Group 1, any Group 1 out of Time Test, and , that is no guaranteed, send him to Chad Brown in the US. Alternatively, drop the loyalty to Charlton (Juddmonte have always been loyal to most of their trainers) and send him to Gosden or Stoute (even then, there is no guarantee)
I would not mind, but Charlton has done well this season, especially with the other Juddmonte horses, bar his mistake with Fair Eva – and two top class jockeys had publicly expressed a view that 6f was not suitable
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