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Apologies, slightly off topic but just something trivial and not worth starting another thread over.
But did I hear Jim McGrath refer to the winner as Dancing Brave half way through the race? I had my head stuck in the exchanges so it could easily be me who is mistaken, Brave/Rain, not too dissimilar when you’re not concentrating.
I’ve only seen the race once so if anyone can confirm it I’d be very grateful.
I thought today’s coverage on BBC2 was excellent – no Little & Large knockabout, no fat (ex?) bookie, no ex snooker player, no the Asian fella (don’t know his name), no that tall bloke, no parade ring (waste of time for me I haven’t a clue what I’m looking at)…..
….just horses going in the stalls, the race and then back to watch the miserable scot lose again
The BBC sent three geezers to Monaco on Sunday. Monaco, a millionaires playground. On my coin.
A kid who looks like he should be on T4, an Irish bloke going through a mid-life crisis, and an anorexic Scots bloke with a massive head. Then, 23 cars went round and round for two hours. I had to dab chilli powder into my eyeballs to stay awake because my son wanted to watch it. I said to him we could go down to Appleby’s Garage and watch a stinky-fingered mechanic replace a gearbox live, for free, rather than pay £130 a year for the privilege. What a tedious sport that is. Yet, the Tobys and the Duncans at the BBC paid a kings ransom for it with virtually no consultation. Hence, no bobboes.
And as for tennis. Is Backhand Borg still playing?
Was the tennis on red button too? I’ve been at work all day so I had to Sky+ the racing but the coverage I’m watching seems to suggest that the racing was on the red button but the tennis was BBC2 only. Which would REALLY annoy tennis fans.
Either way, I’d go further than saying the BBC should have their racing coverage taken off them, I’d take all sports coverage away from them & live music coverage too. They think the red button is the holy grail.
This is nothing new though, I remember the uproar when Channel 4 used to skip to the racing from the 2005 Ashes tests. They had the cricket on Film4 which even less people had then than have Red Button now.
Anyway, the BBC today have managed to upset racing fans & tennis fans. I’m half surprised they haven’t shown a montage of Jim Davidson’s greatest hits then they’ll have upset everyone.
By the way Max, the reason the BBC feel it appropriate to send three presenters & a load of backroom staff to foreign climbs every second weekend is because a) They don’t broadcast exclusively to a British audience (money) & b) F1 is on a Sunday afternoon when everyone can watch it. If they had the races on a Friday afternoon, they’d be watched by four old biddies waiting for Bargain Hunt.
I thought today’s coverage on BBC2 was excellent – no Little & Large knockabout, no fat (ex?) bookie, no ex snooker player,
no the Asian fella (don’t know his name)
, no that tall bloke, no parade ring (waste of time for me I haven’t a clue what I’m looking at)…..
….just horses going in the stalls, the race and then back to watch the miserable scot lose again
Are you referring to Richie Persad? He’s Trinidadian yer racist!
Parrot was there but not Wiltshire (At least I don’t think he was there) but sadly Willie Carson was there. I have to admit I quite enjoyed the coverage too (although I’ve not seen all of it yet) but that doesn’t mean the BBC should get away with it!
One final thought however, I wonder if you added up all the time the BBC showed the tennis instead of racing & then added up how much time lost with adverts Channel 4 has on their racing coverage, which would be the higher. I’ve a feeling it would be the Beeb but not my much.
Tennis was on BBC2
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the red button anthony. I griped at the red button saying ‘live tennis’ was on there when it was already on BBC2. Anyone not knowing Epsom was being covered would have just assumed there was no racing on the red button and just settled for the 5min slots spliced into the Murray match.
The coverage was actually OK for anyone who figured out it was there
Tennis was on BBC2
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the red button anthony. I griped at the red button saying ‘live tennis’ was on there when it was already on BBC2. Anyone not knowing Epsom was being covered would have just assumed there was no racing on the red button and just settled for the 5min slots spliced into the Murray match.
The coverage was actually OK for anyone who figured out it was thereIt really is garbage isn’t it? I’ve just sent a Tweet to the only three BBC people I know & I hope to have accurately covered it:
‘Racing & tennis fans both sick of BBC’s half hearted sports coverage.’
Enjoyed the BBC coverage today. Sorted out the red button.
Fan of CBalding who is enthusiastic and knows her racing.
Not sure about the fashion bit.
Great not to have the betting odds continuously highlighted.
Instead there was time for the horses – brilliant.
And what a clever ride from JMurtagh in the Oaks. Was he on the best horse?I cannot for the life of me understand why the BBC don’t make one of the useless BBC3 / 4 channels dedicated sports channels. Nothing worth watching on those channels so put something interesting on them.
In my opinion the licence fee remains value for money solely because BBC4 exists, but each to their own CC
I didn’t watch this afternoon’s racing on the Beeb so can’t comment on the time – or lack of it – dedicated to Epsom but this sharing of sports is nothing new. In the days when Auntie had a relatively full book of racing over the summer months the coverage was frequently shared with the likes of Wimbledon and Test Cricket; and sods law decreed that a game/set/match would finish or a wicket would fall at just the moment the horses were getting into full gallop around the three furlong pole. Much invective from those with a preference for small balls, soft or hard
Personally I was never bothered then, and wouldn’t be bothered now if the decision to show the race, and race only, was taken. The preliminaries and post-mortems are fun/useful/important for the dyed-in-the-wool punter but wholly alien and unnecessary to those tuned in for the tennis and cricket which are both continuous sporting events, unlike racing which is a couple of minutes every half hour
Tennis and Motor-racing leave me stone-cold, Cricket warms and Racing heats but I’m fully aware that to the sporting public-at-large-in-general Racing leaves them stone cold and the others warm or heat; therefore the BBC are justified in giving these majority interests preference over our minority interest when they clash
I really cannot understand why those on here with a passion for racing are in the least bit bothered about what the BBC and C4 do or don’t do with our noble pastime. We have ATR and RUK, aren’t we lucky?
So, shell out a few beans, treasure the value and forget yesterday’s terrestrial world
Enjoyed the BBC coverage today. Sorted out the red button.
Fan of CBalding who is enthusiastic and knows her racing.
Not sure about the fashion bit.
Great not to have the betting odds continuously highlighted.
Instead there was time for the horses – brilliant.
And what a clever ride from JMurtagh in the Oaks. Was he on the best horse?The guy in the white suit and mohhican was annoying big time. A complete tit. The only guy i’d even less like to hear the word ‘millinery’ from is the other complete tit that covers fashion at Royal Ascot. He is a complete
pompous
tit.
I really cannot understand why those on here with a passion for racing are in the least bit bothered about what the BBC and C4 do or don’t do with our noble pastime. We have ATR and RUK, aren’t we lucky?
So, shell out a few beans, treasure the value and forget yesterday’s terrestrial world
That’s all well and good if you are happy to see them pass the line in the Derby, then switch straight over to watching the next non-contest at Musselburgh. From the sublime to the ridiculous. Some would rather experience the whole occasion than just watch the race.
I agree on BBC4, but it’s like Marmite. You either love it or you don’t. I like their content personally.You would have thought the BBC would have loved that. No overtaking up front. Mind you it didn’t go on for about two hours and a million laps.
Seriously, I think this is a bigger story than the race itself. Sorry for anyone who set their video and expected to see the racing. The racecourses should wise up and remove the crown jewels from the BBC.
It didn’t alter anything for me, and I’m also a serious Tennis fan, but there’s no point pursuing terrestrial coverage half-heartedly.
How many months are we into the RfC project? What happened to selling our stories 52 weeks of the year? Or the famous line about "minimum broadcasting standards?" The BBC are our fine terrestrial broadcasting partners for British Champions Day.
I’m sure if RfC were contacted I’d be told about how important it is to boost our profile in the public eye, drive consumer demand etc. The fact remains, though, nearly 2 years into the great project, the BBC treated the sport as a second-rate event today.
The most alarming 5 minutes for racing on TV today was on RUK when James Willoughby and Angus McNae provided a comedy special with the help of racegoers. If you saw it, you know what I mean.
You would have thought the BBC would have loved that. No overtaking up front. Mind you it didn’t go on for about two hours and a million laps.
Seriously, I think this is a bigger story than the race itself. Sorry for anyone who set their video and expected to see the racing. The racecourses should wise up and remove the crown jewels from the BBC.
I honestly think today was worse for tennis fans than for racing fans. I mean at least we got to see the races from start to finish, vast portions of Murray/Nadal would have been absent from any tennis fan’s Sky+
It’s almost a shame that the Oaks didn’t start at bang on the same time as the last game of the match. That would’ve shown up the BBC big time.
I can just see Rod Street formulating a press release right now by the way: ‘the BBC have assured us we will get complete coverage if we run the Oaks on a Sunday’
It was disappointing to get in from work & see the tennis on. I set it up to record the night before & I don’t remember any references to tennis. At least one can fast forward through the tennis, but I like to see the make & shape of horses prior to the race. Two of the major group ones of the year & we see a clay tennis court instead of the horses. A real shame. Channel 4 isn’t perfect but I think they should have the coverage again.
BBC are all over themselves when it comes to the national, and even Royal Ascot (although thats strictly a fashion show with a bit of racing, thrown in
)Shame the rest of the year they let themselves down, but it’s the same with football too, were they simply can’t compete with SKY.
Channel 4 coverage is much better, but their morning line program accompany with it is a waste of time. Anyone watching the morning line for clues to back that afternoon is better off just reading that day’s paper (you’re get more idea that way)
Channel 4+1 racing should be syncronised to Channel 4 with the +1 channel showing all the meeting (like film 4 use to do). I mean all you’re watching is a "live" race that ran a hour ago.
As for the BBC, they could use BBC 3 or 4 but I think a better channel would be BBC Parliment. Show Parliment in the evening, if they must, but have it as a sports extra channel during the day.
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