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What is going on ?
How does a race like this and the King George attract such small fields ?
Sure they are classy fields but surely UK racing can find more runners for these races ?
Eh Where is the pace in the race????
Frankel going to go straight out in front. Its going to be a dawdle..he be losing his rag if their isn’t a good pace.
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According to the SL website, Timeform have Frankel 10lbs clear of Canford .
Are they away with the fairies?
Big fan of Canford but I think Frankel will beat him and with some comfort. Frankel is a lot more tactically versatile than the media seem to believe, a review of all his starts shows just about all run styles employed.
Canford Cliffs is one of the best milers of the last 10 years maybe the best since Rock of Gibraltar but Frankel is one of the best for a century in my view. There are so few horses that can do what he did in the Dewhurst, Royal Lodge and Newmarket.Frankel by two and a half lengths…maximum bet for me.
Richard Hannon said the other day that he thinks Goodwood doesn’t really suit Canford Cliff’s running style, as the horse ( according to Richard Hughes ) wasn’t liking racing downhill in last year’s Sussex Stakes.
If that is the case, then I’ll be having even more £££s on Frankel. He’ll scoosh down that hill and when TQ eventually releases the brake it’ll be all over in the shake of an eye.
In the immortal words of Mark Winstanley ( The Couch )…
"I’m all in, Frankel ! "
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Looking back on his other races the perfect ride for Frankel came in the Royal Lodge. Tom Queally had him fairly relaxed for 4 furlongs then let him go taking up the running just inside the 3 furlong marker.
He was hardly flat out, he was racing alone yet recorded an amazingly fast time for the last 2 1/2 furlongs and not the slightest hint of him stopping.
While Sir Henry has said he will be ridden with more restraint I doubt if he means he’ll be tracking Canford Cliffs until the furlong marker and trying to beat him for toe.
If they did that CC wwould be in full flight by then and too close for comfort.
I will be very surprised if Tom Queally does not use Frankel’s amazing mid race ability to leave everything for dead like he did in the Royal Lodge and put this race to bed before it even starts.
I think you’re not too far wrong there HurdyGurdy. For me the best tactics would be for Tom to engage the Turbo Jets about 3F out. As I’ve said on other treads, this would give Hughesie an headache, does he try to go with Frankle or does he bide his time for a late run hoping for Frankle to tire.
You’re right to say waiting until the final furlong would definitely be a no, no. Canford Cliffs wins his races by producing a fine turn of foot in the final furlong, why play to his strength?
The main problem is the pathetically small field and no obvious front runner other than perhaps Frankel. I know they’ve said they wont employ the same tactics as Newmarket, but I’ve got a feeling that if nothing goes on at a reasonable gallop in the first 1/2 furlong, Tom will try to settle Frankle in front using his magnificent stride. Then the question would be how close to the pace will Hughsie want to be and how long can he stay on the bridle for.
What do you guys make of the turn out and what are the possible tactics for Frankel & Canford, does the Cecil camp regret not entering a pacemaker?
My 100% book on good ground:
Frankel 8/11, Canford Cliffs 15/8, Rajsaman 28/1, Rio De La Plata 40/1.Have backed Frankel @ 5/6 with a saver on Rio De La Plata @ 80/1.
Been a fan of Canford Cliffs since backing him ante-post for the Guineas after the Coventry @ 16/1. But Cecil is in very good form and Hannon not so good. That could change by post time but has to be taken in to account. I believe Frankel is better than even the Guineas makes him look (went too fast early). Queally has done his best to get the horse beat twice, surely he can’t mess up again? Do wonder if the Timeform rating might flatter Frankel by a pound or two. Canford Cliffs is improving. But also seems ideally suited by a firm surface where as Frankel acts on pretty much anything.
Of the other two, Rajsaman might be better with some give and Rio best on a sound surface. Both look outclassed but either could win if the other two get in a battle from too far out.The big two were always going to frighten off the rest, and to be honest, they don’t stand much chance unless there are pace issues. It’s around 1/14 the two favs coupled in my book. Being realistic Rio and Raj are just fighting it out for third. Does not take anything away from the race as a spectacle, I’d have liked a match.
As for tactics, Frankel has shown he does not need a pacemaker. Queally should make the pace a good one without being overly strong, then kick turning for home.Value Is EverythingAgree with the Ginge. Who cares that there are only 4 runners?! The big 2 are there – thats all that counts. Any others would have been making up the numbers anyway.
Personally would have liked the Cecil camp to have gone left field and entered Bullet Train. Frankel works with him every week and would have been able to tow him along at precise speed wanted. Should be fine but just tiny bit worried about zero pace – he wasnt happy in first half furlong at Newbury.
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
Do great horses need a pacemaker? Secretariate, Sea the Stars?Is Frankel a great horse?
The Guineas was an atrocious horse race, the field was gash and some of the horses not even ready; at Ascot he just held off Zoffany; all the talk of tactics underlines just why Frankel is not a top miler, who on earth talks about tactics with the great milers of the past and, for example Canford, the present.
He’s a 3yo that’s run 2 ok races against modest opposition, who’s massive stride will make life difficult for him on the track.
Canford Cliffs is quite simply the best miler on the planet, people saying Frankel has this amazing burst yet Canford won a Coventry by 6L on the bridle, fast? Frankel needs 10f on a flat track and will get utterly laughed at here
7/2 canford to win by 1L or less, he’ll be too busy laughing at the young horse to do any more
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As this would appear to be a two horse race surely that’s close to being a bet to nothing.
For the record, much as I love Frankel, the way Canford Cliffs won here last year is stil etched in the memory and he’ll do for me.
Lee
Some real typical punter bullshite being spouted on here. I won’t pretend to know who is the better of the two, nor do I know who is gonna win tomorrow, but one for thing for sure is that anyone who is trying to convince me that either Frankel or Canford Cliffs ain’t a great un’ is bigging him/herself up for ridicule.
Just because one fancies Frankel or Canford does not mean one has to denigrate the other’s obvious exceptional ability. If anything, such comments just strike me as real insecurity from the poster his/her own fancy (just a way of reassurance I guess). I mean, is it really that hard to acknowledge the fact we are in the presence of two very special animals.
Some of the comments are just ridiculous. Frankel is only an "ok", "decent" horse, beating a bunch of very average 3 year olds, "he ain’t a great one coz’ greats don’t need pacemakers", "he ain’t a great one coz’ thare ain’t need for tactics talk with greats". Hahaha, let me laugh, Frankel has so far destroyed, yes destroyed, potentially the best sprinter in the country, potentially the best classic distance horse who’s just beaten two of the ante-post facourites for the Arc, an Irish Guineas winner, an Irish Derby winner and Derby runnerup, a German Derby winner and you could even add a very impressive Strong Suit to that today. As for needing pacemaker, well, not only has he won 6 out of 7 without one, but he has even shown he could actually be the pacemaker himself and bag a classic race. And, as for tactic talks, well if there weren’t any tactical preparation from either Hannon or Cecil (which I’m sure there will be), well that wouldn’t strike me as a sign of confidence in one’s ability as much as an utter lack of professionalism. And, anyway, there are as much tactical questions about Frankel as there are for Canford.
To sum it up, both of these machines have shown and done enough to be respected as two real champs. So, just get out there an enjoy this clash between these two freaks you bunch of ungrateful, insatiable, faultfinding idiots.
And, btw, go Rajsaman!
Well all’s set for what is the most eagerly awaited showdown between the generations on the flat that I think I can remember.
Two exceptional colts, the course should be absolutely perfect, the small field means there shouldn’t be traffic problems. Lets just hope that they can produce their best form on the day, and noises from the tables indicate their charges are in peak condition.
It all bodes well for a memorable race. Who knows, we could be calling one of them a true great by 3:15 tomorrow.
Hear hear Sea Bird! Great post. I can’t wait for it and hope both these great horses show their true form and that the best horse wins!
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
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