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    Just what I heard mate…Yorkhill 5/1 everywhere Min is 5/2 with hills 2/1 skybet…If ruby decides to ride Yorkhill wonder what price he would set off and what price Min would be…Yorkhill 2/1 and Min 4/1 Imo..Ruby will know best he’s rode both horses.

    #1236673
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    Ruby just gone on RUk states he will ride Min so the 5/2 hills looks big.

    #1236689
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    The 5/2 aint big!!
    I keep telling anyone who will listen MIN has beaten trees!!

    I have laid it at 2/1 and may consider laying it again at 5/2 !!

    #1236691
    bigzeb2010
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    I think that MIN looks like the winner here, and I’ve got him in a couple
    of accumulators, but the one horse which I think has been overlooked here
    is SILVER CONCORDE.

    Two years ago he won the Champion Bumper, beating the likes of Shaneshill
    and Black Hercules. Shaneshill did turn that form around in his next race,
    but he got the march on the field with two to go and SC was closing but too
    late.

    He’s only had 3 runs over hurdles, and was well beaten by Supasundae on his
    last run at Leopardstown in December. That was on knee deep ground, and this
    is a horse that definitely needs decent ground to be at his best. He has a
    real turn of foot when he gets his conditions, which he showed winning the
    November Handicap at Leopardstown in October on good ground. He should get
    his ground for this.

    Dermot Weld is not a guy that tilts at windmills, so I think that 20/1 is
    very well worth a bet. I’ll be surprised if he’s anywhere near that price
    next week. I’m very sweet on his chances.

    Good man Big Slips. I made the same arguement a few weeks back in the “this year’s Uxizandre” thread. I said then to back him at 20/1 without Min so happy enough with that as you get 1st 3 places if Min finishes outside the top 3 and top 4 if he finishes in the top 3. I am not sure if he’s good enough to win, but he does love good ground, looked very good for 4/5 of the race at Christmas and has raced against some very good animals already in his career. The big thing is though that he is effectively a second season novice after not winning last year. I think that experience will tell and I’d be very hopeful of a big run.

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    Worth bearing in mind that Skybet offer money back as a free bet on all losers in this (yes, you read that right) up to £25.

    The offer stands for the first race on all 4 days

    #1236709
    wasps41
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    Have taken the 20s on silver concorde.

    After backing him antepost post last year and then saw him being re routed it would be just my luck to see him coast in this year so have thrown a bit at him

    #1236710
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    I meant it’s big as in most other firms are going 7/4 I won’t be backing Min either…For the supreme I like Yorkhill and buveur d’air so I will take my chances on them 2 in a open looking supreme for me…Sky bets offer is very good…Betfair sportsbook also have a great offer in place for the first day back a horse at 3/1 or bigger get 3 free bets upto £25 on all races on 1st day Eg £25 win on identity thief it it’s sp returns 3/1 or bigger get 3 free £25 bets .Offer on all races off the 1st day.

    #1236731
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    Do have to wonder whether the gamble on Yorkhill would’ve happened at all if Min is in A1 condition?

    Value Is Everything
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    I think that MIN looks like the winner here, and I’ve got him in a couple
    of accumulators, but the one horse which I think has been overlooked here
    is SILVER CONCORDE.

    Two years ago he won the Champion Bumper, beating the likes of Shaneshill
    and Black Hercules. Shaneshill did turn that form around in his next race,
    but he got the march on the field with two to go and SC was closing but too
    late.

    He’s only had 3 runs over hurdles, and was well beaten by Supasundae on his
    last run at Leopardstown in December. That was on knee deep ground, and this
    is a horse that definitely needs decent ground to be at his best. He has a
    real turn of foot when he gets his conditions, which he showed winning the
    November Handicap at Leopardstown in October on good ground. He should get
    his ground for this.

    Dermot Weld is not a guy that tilts at windmills, so I think that 20/1 is
    very well worth a bet. I’ll be surprised if he’s anywhere near that price
    next week. I’m very sweet on his chances.

    Good man Big Slips. I made the same arguement a few weeks back in the “this year’s Uxizandre” thread. I said then to back him at 20/1 without Min so happy enough with that as you get 1st 3 places if Min finishes outside the top 3 and top 4 if he finishes in the top 3. I am not sure if he’s good enough to win, but he does love good ground, looked very good for 4/5 of the race at Christmas and has raced against some very good animals already in his career. The big thing is though that he is effectively a second season novice after not winning last year. I think that experience will tell and I’d be very hopeful of a big run.

    I missed your post in the other thread Bigzeb, I’ve trawled back through them
    and I can see you were way ahead of me with Silver Concorde. 20/1 w/o Min is
    a great bet.

    I couldn’t agree more with you on your assessment of his chances, on decent ground
    on a course he has already taken to, he is very decent value.

    Great minds think alike…..I can’t quite remember the rest of that proverb :whistle:

    #1236746
    JammyDodger75
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    Raymo61 Min has beaten what’s been put in front of him, whilst Ruby was quietly reading the racing post on top of him. Min will win the Supreme easily, making the others look like trees !!!. :yahoo:

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    bigzeb2010
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    I missed your post in the other thread Bigzeb, I’ve trawled back through them
    and I can see you were way ahead of me with Silver Concorde. 20/1 w/o Min is
    a great bet.

    I couldn’t agree more with you on your assessment of his chances, on decent ground
    on a course he has already taken to, he is very decent value.

    Great minds think alike…..I can’t quite remember the rest of that proverb :whistle:

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    In our case it’s probably the end that most applies to us….fools seldom differ!

    Here’s hoping he gives us a good spin for our cash anyway. The more I see people crabbing Min, the more I think he might make a fool of everyone and when like Douvan and Vautour have done the past two years. If he got anywhere near 3/1 on the day, I would certainly be taking that. His jumping outside of maybe Shantou Village, has been the most impressive from a novice that I have seen all year.

    #1236930
    thebrandarcade
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    I would have to be taking on Min even with the Mullins connections.
    Although I won’t be leaving the Mullins connections and quite like the look of Yorkhill

    #1236964
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    Just watched Min again on ATR, he really has been most impressive; he + Vautour are my bankers for the week

    #1237045
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    Ball D’Arc at big price each way is my last pick for this race… if it turns up!!

    #1237080
    Avatar photoFran the man
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    Ball D’Arc at big price each way is my last pick for this race… if it turns up!!

    He won’t be going. In response to a question about how good Min is, Gordon responded with something along the lines of “he beat 2 of my horses in his runs this season and neither of them would be good enough to lead a horse down to the start for a race as good as the supreme”

    #1237145
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    Min might hose up but he’s where he is on hype and home reputation primarily. I’ve done Yorkhill and Tombstone to small stakes – hopefully something will make it a strong pace.

    #1237146
    jmfitz
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    Gents, gents, gents, gents…..

    I’ve sat in the same position for the last number of years trying to pick holes in the form of the WM/RR hotpot. Min prob has more holes to pick than the last few but he will still has too much for the rest this year. I’m gonna back him at 2/1 and enjoy the rest of the Tuesday with money in the bank!

    Skip the Arkle, unless you have the 5 to make the 2 on Douvan, and lump on Fingal Bay (if he runs)!!!!

    I’ll be in a champagne bar somewhere at this stage before the New One romps home in the CH and someone carries me out to the carpark!!!!

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