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Ok…this has been visited on before and no doubt the opinions will remain the same …but
Cracking good interview on RUK with JG today. Open, intelligent and straightforward. I believe that communication on that level does a lot to promote the sport both with the commited and casual viewer
and yet…Stoute yesterday. Hes a favourite trainer of mine but isnt it just a bit tiresome now for him still to be acting as if he needs to immediately get to the bog everytime theres a microphone in the vicinity?
it conveys the impression (which bizarrely even some punters support) that the whole business…is …non of our business. We are merely pressed up against the window whilst the party goes on inside
Can get away with that, when racing was dominant in the sporting conciousness…but its not
And even the Champions league (which is hardly struggling for attention) makes sure that managers have to communicate…
It’s almost a snobbery the way some trainers treat the media and us outsiders who follow the sport.
I read somewhere that many years ago Stoutey tried to get a job with the Beeb as presenter for horse racing but it went to Julian Wilson instead if that’s true then it’s all the more puzzling why he is the way he is.
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I hear a lot of debate going on about trainers keeping the punters out with this "the grounds not suitable" malarky, well how do we know what grounds suitable in the first place
I thought it was very good of Gosden to be interviewed after the race on Channel 4. Very easy to be interviewed after your horse has run well, but it takes a bit more humility to go before the cameras after your stable favourite has run poorly.
He appeared honest and straightforward.
As for Stoute… he appears to have the social skills of a hermit.
I think there is an ‘old school’ of British Flat trainers who couldn’t care less about public image. As long as they have owners who can put 100 or more horses in their stables seemingly that is all they are interested in.
Stoute has never been anything less than terrible, Cecil would rather talk about roses than horses and Cumani can appear tetchy on occasions as Thommo has found out.
In contrast most Irish based trainers come accross very well when they are interviewed on ATR.
Are Michael Soute and Gordon Brown related? They look alike and have the same uneasy way about them when in front of a camera.
Also makes me laugh when we see Carson on the box
At the latter end of his career (the bit i recall) he was transparently contemptuous towards punters. There were a few "none of their business" type quotes
Gosden must have been very disappointed yesterday but he gave some reasons (not excuses) and served to remind everyone that its not exactly the end of the world. It was cracking stuff. Big man in more ways than one (whoops…
)To those of you complaining about trainers not talking about their runners – if you owned a horse who was a decent prospect, would you want the trainer talking up its prospects to all and sundry?
I most certainly would not.
The only person I would expect the trainer to discuss my horse with would be me. It is the owner who pays the bills and therefore it should be the owners decision regarding what information, if any, is divulged.
I would suggest that Sir Michael is of the "old school" who recognises his responsibility is, first and foremost, to the owner.
Indeed if I was an owner looking for a touch I would actively encourage dis-information about the horses prospects in an attempt to get a better price.
Paul
How many of Stoute’s owners are ‘looking for a touch’?
Probably not many David, but as a general point of principle the trainers "loyalty" is to his owners not punters and unless the owners specifically give permission for the trainer to discuss their horses publicly, then the trainer should keep his gob shut.
The owners too should realise that they have a responsibility to contribute to marketing racing.
If racing declines, and there is a small market, they will be unable to land a touch.
If racing declines, then no one else will care if their horse has won the big one.
First of all JGosdens open attitute towards the media i suspect stems from his training in america where media is god so he is easy in front of camera etc,Sir MStoute has never been like that he likes to keep whats going on to himself.
John Gosden was an absolute gent and top man yesterday. Alot of trainers could learn a hell of a lot from him. Alot of NH trainers do very well with the media and it can only be a good thing, paying punters and followers of the sport who ensure the game goes on deserve to hear from the horses mouth.
Trainers do not have to come on and give everything away but should be prepared to answer certain questions gracefully. If the sport wants to keep reaching out to the public trainers and jockeys need to play their part and stop thinking they are above the public. Hell, even Ryan Moore gave an in depth interview to RUK the other day, maybe the tides are changing!The owners too should realise that they have a responsibility to contribute to marketing racing.
If racing declines, and there is a small market, they will be unable to land a touch.
If racing declines, then no one else will care if their horse has won the big one.
Sorry I disagree with you to a point. Marketing is fine but that does not have to extend to providing privilige information.
People always have bet on racing, always will bet on racing because the reality is (whether we like it or not) most punters could not give a toss about the quality of racing – they will bet on any race because of basic greed.
Most of those who post here are generally different because they see racing as just more than betting fodder – however the truth is we are in a minority.
If you think I am wrong – then explain to me why the bookmakers are so happy to support the low grade betting fodder seen far too often at our courses.
The owners too should realise that they have a responsibility to contribute to marketing racing.
If racing declines, and there is a small market, they will be unable to land a touch.
If racing declines, then no one else will care if their horse has won the big one
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Perfectly put
Paul…just cant agree with you there. Stoutes reticence is embarrasing at times and goes well beyond keeping back info for a (unlikely as
DJ says) touch.Racing is competing for the betting pound with plenty of other sports now. Any business or sport that treats its customers with contempt will ultimately fail…
Marble
too many on here like to portray themselves as hardned old punters who "wouldnt trust a word a trainer says".. all part of the image isnt it?
Its daft to ignore everything they say of course. Where else are we going to find out the very nature of the beasts they train? i would rather Gosdens summary of the strengths and weaknesses of his charges than some poxy speed figure….
Obviously its all a bit different further down the food chain…but thats not Stoutes and gosdens arena is it?
Paul
Should only the owners of football clubs be privy to information regarding tactics, injuries, targets and so on?
How do you feel Football supporters would feel if the management of their clubs refused to communicate anything with them whatsover either before of after the games?
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