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Both horses had their issues and surely needed their preparation runs. But the betting public has no clue about their TRUE well being, since both trainers admit that they weren’t 100% fit and needed the run. Well, guess what Mr. Moore and Mr. Henderson:
I also need something: my cash back that was lost thanks to your schooling in public.
Anyway, you will never get any decent information about a horse from NJH and GLM is also pretty tight-lipped regading those matters.
So just to make sure they don’t punish me again, let’s not give them the chance to collect after using the race-course for pipe-openers. Otherwise you would have to allow this procedure to any trainer or owner in the country.
This (running without odds) is somethig done very often in trotting, especially when a horse is reluctant to race or gets disqualified too often. It gets the chance to retrial against the clock and until it becomes more reliable it runs without odds. It means that in case of a Sire de Grugy win while running without odds, the 2nd placed horse will be paid out as a winner.Oh for goodness sake.
Nobody knows just how close Sprinter Sacre will get to his previous best, not even Nicky Henderson! It’s quite possible that the run last time (first for over a year after a significant heart problem) is as good (or almost as good) as he is now.
SDG has also had a long time off after a fairly significant injury and may not be able to return to the level of last season.
One of the biggest aspects to a Top 2 mile chaser is jumping ability. Many 2m chasers are rusty on their first start back; more so than stayers because of the speed involved. Sprinter Sacre didn’t jump badly compared to most jumpers, but nowhere near what he can do at his best (electric). Sire De Grugy was jumping less well than usual throughout, eventually falling.
It’s up to every single punter to come to a decision whether the price offered is worth the risk (value). If you don’t think any of these horses that come back from a long lay off are worth the risk Ruby – back something else or lay it! You’ll make loads of money IF you’re right!
I had a bit of money on Sprinter Sacre as a saver, because I thought the price made it worth the chance. Did not need to be within a stone of his best to win. Turning for home I was happy with my investment; but it wasn’t to be. Nobodys fault but my own. Thought SDG was worth opposing at the price and backed Mr Mole as my only bet in the race.
You pays your money and you takes your choice.
Value Is EverythingOh for goodness sake.
Love this , its simple and correct , you dont have to bet on every race , in fact you can sit and watch loads of them without getting involved , sure the bookies dont get your cash , but you learn a lot each time you sit one out
and you dont do your dough
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he only person you have to beat in racing is yourself ….master that one and you are on your way to a juicy profit
Otherwise you would have to allow this procedure to any trainer or owner in the country.
It is available to every trainer and owner. You just don’t realise because it is in lower profile races.
Let people back the horse if they want to, if you don’t want to back the horse / race…… DON’T!
It’s
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Value Is EverythingOh for goodness sake.
Love this , its simple and correct , you dont have to bet on every race , in fact you can sit and watch loads of them without getting involved , sure the bookies dont get your cash , but you learn a lot each time you sit one out
and you dont do your dough
T
he only person you have to beat in racing is yourself ….master that one and you are on your way to a juicy profit
Now here’s one time when I agree with you 100%!
Rubylight, you always act as if everything that happens in racing could and should be predictable. As if every trainer knows exactly how his horse will run, and knows whether it’s likely to fall, or get tired a furlong from the line etc. They don’t. No one does. Betting is a risk, simple as that. Running horses is a risk.
What I’m saying is just to eliminate the possibility of people to be cheating with a horse. This idea also would apply instead of a proper ban for a previous non-trier. The horse shouldn’t be banned from racing since the horse itself has done nothing wrong. Just don’t give connections the chance to have an inside advantage.
I am suggesting that in other countries, like Hong Kong, the procedures would be a lot different. They gave their horses race course gallops within a race. And no matter how fit a horse is or not you would expect a jockey to push it out a bit rather than to sit motionless on it.
Remember Ruby Walsh on Denman at Kempton???
First time out after his heart op??? Now that was proper riding, pushing out the horse to the line despite being some 20+ lengths back. That was correct and decent. That is also something I liked so much about Ruby Walsh.I am suggesting that in other countries, like Hong Kong, the procedures would be a lot different. They gave their horses race course gallops within a race. And no matter how fit a horse is or not you would expect a jockey to push it out a bit rather than to sit motionless on it.
Remember Ruby Walsh on Denman at Kempton???
First time out after his heart op??? Now that was proper riding, pushing out the horse to the line despite being some 20+ lengths back. That was correct and decent. That is also something I liked so much about Ruby Walsh.True, Denman was
"20+ lengths back"
(23 at the line) in second in that Levy Board Chase, 25 in front of the third – and yet yes – Ruby kept
"pushing out"
. Why did Walsh give the horse such a hard time? Never going to win and had a lot to spare over the others.
Normally RL, you are one of the first to complain when a horse is given an unecessarily hard ride… and falls. Wonder what you’d have said had Denman fallen at the last?
Would you still have been praising Walsh?Value Is EverythingWell, Denman was the highest rated steeple chaser at that time and not trainer by a bloke who has two winners in five years. So they both knew what the horse was able to achieve. And sitting motionless on a horse throughout the race and doing nothing when in front is simply a schooling session on a racecourse.
I don’t know what race you were watching. He was sitting motionless on Sprinter Sacre because you don’t need to push and shove him along. However, coming up to the final furlong or so, he began to empty out and it was clear he couldn’t win. Not that he wasn’t allowed to win. I’m sure the intention was that if he was fit enough, he’d be allowed to win! It wasn’t a schooling session, just a run to see if he was back to full health. He wasn’t.
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