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  • #720
    runandskip
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    at a time when jumping is awash  with valuble races and new sponsors, the two biggist flat races the derby and the king george are now sponsorless.<br>should the flat racing people be worried?

    #36258
    Stormont
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    I don’y think the flat racing people should worry, but if i was the Epsom cheif Exec, i would be concerned. The Derby seems to be losing its staus over the last 4 or 5 years in my opinion.

    Although, i don’t know if that is the reason. Vodafone have sponsored the derby for 13years (including this years) and maybe they just decided for a change.

    Was it De Beers, that have been sponsoring the KG in recent years? I can’t quite remember.

    I still think its just a change of scenery for these companies. Many people were worried about the Guineas when Sagitta finished their sponsorship but i think it was within months that Stan James stepped in.

    I don’t think it has anything to do with the jumps (although the jump sponsors seem to stay longer)

    Although it seemed like a great shame when it stopped being the Thomas Pink Gold Cup.

    I don’t think that flat racing is an unpopular, although i prefer the flat so would be biased.

    Will be interesting to see who steps up for the Derby though………… wouldn’t surprise me to see a top bookmaking firm take it, they seem to be snapping up all the sponsorship deals for races these days.

    #36259
    FlatSeasonLoverFlatSeasonLover
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    OY!!!

    If there was no prospects of getting sponsers I’d be very worried but I don’t think they are short of offers. Is this is another flat vs jumps debate you are trying to instigate?

    If you are worried flat racing may go under just look around the world….. France, Italy, Japan, Brazil, Hong Kong, USA, Germany, Australia…. – what do they all have in common? Flat racing. Not worried at all.

    #36260
    Happy JackHappy Jack
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    Quote: from Stormont on 6:26 pm on Jan. 19, 2007[br]Although it seemed like a great shame when it stopped being the Thomas Pink Gold Cup.<br>

    Yes, everyone I know was absolutely distraught when Thomas Pink ended their three year sponsorship. Of course, nobody remembers when it was the Mackeson, do they?

    #36261
    graysonscolumngraysonscolumn
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    LOL, beat me to it, HJ!<br>

    The patron saint of lower-grade fare. A gently critical friend of point-to-pointing. Kindness is a political act.

    #36262
    Adrian
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    and Murphy’s Irish Craic !

    Sponsors come and go depending on the interest of brand managers and ultimately CEOs and Chairmen.

    Often when new people take over they want to imprint their own identity onto the sponsorship portfolio.  I’m sure that the Derby won’t have a problem getting a new sponsor – hanging on to them for 13 years, like Vodafone, is another matter.

    #36263
    davidjohnson
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    There might not be too much into this, other than Vodafone choosing to redistribute their sponsorship budget, they pulled out of a deal to sponsor Manchester United early within the last 12 months.

    #36264
    Seagull
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    Vodafone share price tells the story.<br>

    #36265
    gamble
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       ‘gull the whole mobile market is like a piranah feast at a womens institute meeting just at the moment. You can barely give the things away.

       The :old: Derby was moved to a saturday mainly for advertising revenue – yass we know, more viewers, just count the bottoms, not only in this country but arouind the world.

     The messing has badly backfired in my opinion as other saturday sport has stolen a distance to leave Epsom with its first sign of premature balding up on the down and no monolulu.

    (Edited by gamble at 4:44 pm on Jan. 21, 2007)

    #36266
    bluechariot
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    I still prefer to call them by their old names, Mackeson,Massey Ferguson, Black & White at Ascot. Gloucester Hurdle,Totalisator novice chase.<br>The Hennessy is the only one left

    #36267
    Maxilon 5Maxilon 5
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    If I held ANY mobile phone shares, I’d be converned (as DJ alludes to).  

    The Derby will be sponsored within a month…no worries there.;)

    I do believe however that Epsom made a serious mistake transferring the great race to a Saturday. Now that Vodaphone have gone, will they consider changing it back?;)

    #36268
    RichKRichK
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    Quote: from Adrian on 8:33 am on Jan. 20, 2007[br]and Murphy’s Irish Craic !

    Sponsors come and go depending on the interest of brand managers and ultimately CEOs and Chairmen.<br>

    I can remember the first year that Martell had been taken over by Pernod Ricard. Various HR Professionals from Pernod’s had elected themselves to present many of the prizes, and they all looked like they’d swallowed a set of lemons each.

    It was obvious they’d pull the plug as soon as the contract ran out.

    #36269
    Monkey
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    I would take it as a sign of weakness if a new sponsor for the Derby can’t be found from outside the racing industry. If a bookmaker takes over, it would presumably be at the cost of their sponsorship of other races in the calendar, races for which it might be much harder to find replacement sponsors.

    #36270
    ricky lakericky lake
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    hmmm not convinced its even remotely connected to economics , what about a load of corruption charges ….bent races (allegedly )…..and hey presto you get a new image , yep thats right , flat racing is as welcome as a toothache in terms of corporate investment because its image for the last 2 yrs is one of ongoing investigations into possible corruption

    who wants to be associated with that ??

    Ricky

    #36271
    Aragorn
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    I agree Ricky.. Dragging the Fallon case through the press and over such a long time doesn’t help.. The only time racing makes the back page is due to corruption. If they’d followed the innocent until proven guilty line there would have been less of a furore… All in all I can’t see many outside firms getting involved.

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