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TS RPR HORSE/WGT LAST 6 RATINGS BEST TOPSPEED
LAST YR GOING DIST COURSE103 108 Tanmeya 11-9 — 50 55 93 15 103 103 103 — —
100 105 Quil Est Beau 11-5 — — — 85 100 90 100 100 90 90
98 102 Outside Investor 11-5 54 — — 98 89 — 98 102 102 102
93 97 Howdy Cloud 11-5 15 — — — 93 — 93 93 — —
84 105 Present Oriented 11-5 56 — 52 — 84 47 84 108 108 —
— — Charlottes Webb 11-2 105 — — 52 — 57 57 105 89 —
— 107 Lilac 11-2 67 67 93 73 23 56 93 111 90 90my betfair account reflects that im doing something right
outside investor won 28/1 had the highest course speed
would any one agree??????
2009-08-04 16:47 8594568930 2009-08-04 16:31 GB Newt 4th Aug / 16:30 2m5f Class Chs Comm Charged 4.5% On Net winnings of GBP318.37 – – – (14.33) 1,827.65
2009-08-04 16:47 8594560591 2009-08-04 16:30 GB Newt 4th Aug / 16:30 2m5f Class Chs / Quil Est Beau Back 3.55 20.00 Lost (20.00) 1,841.98
2009-08-04 16:47 8594556171 2009-08-04 16:30 GB Newt 4th Aug / 16:30 2m5f Class Chs / Tanmeya Lay 1.97 20.00 Won 20.00 1,861.98
2009-08-04 16:47 8594568930 2009-08-04 16:31 GB Newt 4th Aug / 16:30 2m5f Class Chs / Outside Investor Back 22.22 15.00 Won 318.37 1,841.98Someone had to back it.
It’s not a case of letting form get in the way forecast, sorry i’m not trying to shoot you down here or anything but he possibly ran the worst race of his life at catterick before today and basing a decision because he had the best (and only) course figure doesn’t seem logical at all
im happy to get the discussions started…………..im never bitter
now looking at williams last run im not surprised he ran bad………..look who he was up against but the ground was heavy today which slows the pace down
GB / Catt 4th Aug / 14:50 To Be Placed William Arnold Back 8593586270 04-Aug-09
14:42 C 54.55 10.00 54.55 535.50
GB / Catt 4th Aug / 14:50 To Be Placed William Arnold Back 8593660911 04-Aug-09
14:50 C 40 10.00 40 390.00
GB / Newt 4th Aug / 16:30 To Be Placed Outside Investor Back 8594537210 04-Aug-09
16:27 C 5.3 10.00 5.3 43.00
GB / Catt 4th Aug / 16:20 To Be Placed Avas World Back 8594415159 04-Aug-09
16:13 C 32 10.00 32 (10.00)
GB / Newt 4th Aug / 17:00 3m3f Hcap Hrd Bengal Bullet Back 8594766335 04-Aug-09
16:54 C 19.5 10.00 19.5 (10.00)
GB / Newt 4th Aug / 17:00 3m3f Hcap Hrd Bathwick Breeze Back 8594766113 04-Aug-09
16:54 C 20 10.00 20 (10.00)
GB / Chep 4th Aug / 14:10 1m4f Hcap Great View Back 8593254393 04-Aug-09
14:08 C 16 10.00 16 (10.00)ps (edited)ill ost them selections up later
I’ll be interested in both your figures for the 9.05 at Kempton tomorrow. Out of 13 runners THREE are wearing first-time visors (Cumani, E Dunlop and Cecil no less) and another is wearing first-time blinkers.
I’m thinking of forcing myself to have a bet in it. I’m also thinking of popping down the local bookies ( a mile away
) to witness it. 
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Not the most inspiring card at Kempton tomorrow. The only top rated that looks like it will go off at an E.W. price is Majehar in the 6.05 currently 14-1 but beware this is an Apprentice Handicap and the lad is one of the least experienced in the race.
It will be worth watching the prices on my top rated in the later races as a few are borderline E.W. bets
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9.05 THAMES MATERIALS HANDICAP (CLASS 5)(3yo 0-75) Winner £2,590 13 runners 1m3f
Angelica´s Art
85 Bagber
67 Bedarra Boy
75 Causeway King
85 Demeanour
Great Bounder
87 Haafhd Time
Lady Rusty
88 Madison Park
76 Mellow Mixture
Qelaan
77 Rock Relief
80 Scene TwoWhy do want to have a go at this race in particular? Its a nasty little event with little between them over the infrequently trip of 11f
If you were looking for value Haafhd Time 1 point behind my top rated is a big price!wow what a horrible days racing oh well
605 kempton
mista rossa and dance the star are looking the best two with a place on kings supreme
635
so so char and one oi are looking best win bets would of placed millfield and takito but too short705
i would not bet this race but astonishment win and fat cat e/w735
zinbar looks great but a place only on kurtanella and evergreen dancer but again odds low805
makaam is carrying but looks the best as expressive with a place only on deo valente835
not 100% on this one but if i had to then assail and cut n thrust would be my pick….sam sharp and satwa gold placed but again odds reflecting905 last one
what a horrible one to finish on………..causeway and haafhd time are the best course rated but thats it…….scene two keeps popping up and cant split deameanor and madison park ……………so scene two e/w and causeway king and haafhd time placed onlyps just got an email from betfair saying theres a fiver in my account (arcade) and i can keep all i win……got four accounts and used the same email on each (click on email to open page)(then login in)
won
6.35
18.82
102.25
23.75and its all sitting there waiting to be bet tommorrow…………….open yr accounts and look (arcade)
goodluck
Kempton aw favourites
Race type Wins Runs Strike Rate % Profit ROI % Race times
3yo handicaps 50 174 28.7 -£17.15 -9.9 8.35, 9.05
3yo+/4yo+ handicaps 166 720 23.1 -£89.74 -12.5 6.05, 6.35
3yo+ maidens 38 102 37.3 -£7.74 -7.6 8.05
2yo maidens 60 142 42.3 +£8.38 +5.9 7.058.35 Kempton Cut And Thrust** M Jarvis on aw – male runners only priced 10/1 or shorter SR 32.3% ROI +35%
7.05 Kempton Epic M Johnston – June to August 2yo maidens over 7f SR 23.2%; ROI +28.6%
7.05 Kempton Epic M Johnston 2yo male runners in Auction races; off track for more than 4 weeks; SR 45.3% ROI +195%mr stats just delivered and you may want to add epic to the 705 and double him with speed dating(newcastle)
Why do want to have a go at this race in particular?
It is the right time of day for me to have my late afternoon nap, and still study the form when I wake up.
I know its nasty – but that means I’m almost sure to find something at the prices I like.
does betting on just speed work
i was asked this question yesterday and followed the bets today and wrote the results
taking the top two ts rated and the top course rated returned the following results
at 1 point e/w all three horses regardless of odds
brighton
minus 4.5 pointsnewcastle
14 points profit (one 4cast 1+2+3)(race5)(not part of the points)pontifract
84 points profit (two 4cast 1+2+3)(one csf 1+2)(race 4-5-7))(not part of the points)kempton
minus 3 pointsyarmouth
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If you were looking for value Haafhd Time 1 point behind my top rated is a big price!
Gerald I am hoping you to my advise on this race and put some money in your pocket. It was the only good advise I gave for the whole card!!
What an aweful nights racing.
Mr F. It would be interesting to see how this works out over a longer period and with a little twist. Perhaps only taking the top two in smaller races.
well i have the stats for every course since 29-june 2009………….i have been doing this for just over 4 months but when realised it works i started taking account more and recording all the info…
i now have a small picture on what tracks to do and wot ones not to
i hope by the end of the year to have a better picture………..lingfield has the best record so far
the data i collect is top two speedsters winning position and the forecasts and tricasts
i find placing the top two when the odds are high is making the most money,as betting e/w on every horse is not always wise but does get some realy big odd horses
date track w pl fc track win place 4casts days placed bets
05/07/09 brighton 2 3 0 brighton 11 18 2 5 29 68
06/07/09 brighton 1 3 0
14/07/09 brighton 1 6 0
30/06/09 brighton 5 2 2
05/08/09 brighton 2 4 02.30 6f209y Last 8 outings Best ratings
Horse Wgt OR future Ltst Dist Crs Cls5+Gf-Hd G Gs-Hv 6-11rn Base Master
6565sd 0415g 3875gf 3715f 0356gf 9536g 0635gs French Connexion 8-4 65 63 — — 87 87 53 63 87 41 87
7706gf 5717sd 2857g Chairman Pat 9-1 76 85 85 — 85 70 85 — 85 47 85
4537g 5807gf Dream Spinner 8-13 80 80 — 80 80 53 — 80 39 80
3676g Bab At The Bowster 8-8 67 — — 67 — 67 — 67 26 67
8367s Pastello 8-10 36 36 — 36 — — 36 — — 36
Saint Thomas 9-2 — — — — — — — — — —its easier if you have the whole picture
Note: Figures to the left of the horse name are Topspeed ratings for the horse’s last nine races. Ratings are adjusted for weight. The superior figure to the left of these ratings represent the
horse’s finishing positions, the superior characters to the right of the ratings represent the going and distance of the race. Best ratings (to the right of the horse names) are adjusted for
weight and reflect a horse’s best rating in the period to date starting two season ago i.e. if the current season is 2003 then performances in 2001, 2002 and 2003 would count towards
best ratings. Best ratings are surface specific i.e only the All-weather races count towards best ratings if today’s race is on the All-weather. Official ratings in non-handicaps reflect each
horse’s latest published mark and are not adjusted for age and weight. Base ratings shows the master ratings unadjusted for age and weight.my first post on here,what a lot of people in the know on here .was just wondering if anyone uses ukracestats for speed raings as there seems to be a lot of info involved,anf there free,i have nothing to do with site but at first glance looks good will post any p/l on todays top rated speedsters after racing this evening just to see how they do
cheers
taffIf you were looking for value Haafhd Time 1 point behind my top rated is a big price!
Gerald I am hoping you to my advice on this race and put some money in your pocket. It was the only good advise I gave for the whole card!!
What an aweful nights racing.
Mr F. It would be interesting to see how this works out over a longer period and with a little twist. Perhaps only taking the top two in smaller races.
Sorry Actuary, in the end I didn’t bother, and I made my first ever meringue instead. A little bit of a disaster, but it was edible. Had seen a progamme the previous evening where someone had made a gooseberry meringue. Don’t have any gooseberries but have loads of plums in the house, so I added some tinned rhubarb to them to make it more tart. How the hell were meringues invented/discovered in the first place? I whisked the egg whites for about 20 minutes, and it still wasn’t good enough. I can’t believe that at some stage someone separated out the eggwhites, and whisked and whisked and whisked to see what would happen.
Hi Taff. There’s a few people who use UKracestats. They occasionally post in the main forum, when the website is down!
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No interest at all in the first 2 AW
If the tissue price of 10-1 Kingsgate Castle(v1) is available must be a solid E.W. A couple of non-runners to his inside wouldn’t go a miss as 9 is a bit to wide over 6f. Dynamo Dave still isnt sure if he is a sprinter or middle distance horse. LTO on the AW was running over 10f!!
Baby Josr 12-1 looks the pick of a modest bunch in the last. The trip would be questionable in better company but solid E.W. claims
another days racing done
had a excellent day,now i know you are all doing your own ratings and i must be one of the few that uses pure data which i do not change,adjust or anything
i go to racing post and open the course page,click on the course and click print outs,then buy the speed stats that i want for the day
this gives you a good picture of what you need……….now you all know what your doing so i look at the official rating and look at the form in the speed format……the horse that has ran to or above its rating is the most likely winner
take the last two at bath
8.05 1m5y Last 8 outings Best ratings
Handicap Horse Wgt OR future Ltst Dist Crs Cls5+Gf-Hd G Gs-Hv 6-11rn Base Master
3648sd 2428sd 3748g 67210gf 2618gf 2818gf Carbon Hoofprint 9-7 75 — 81 — 81 81 74 — 74 66 —
1866gs 6706g 4546gs 0626g 0447s 44910f 96210sd 86110g Full Of Nature 9-4 72 — — — 86 49 70 86 86 33 —
5637sd 4708s 5567sd 3577gs 3828gf 0368g 2778gf Mr Udagawa 9-2 70 — 82 — 82 82 36 70 77 60 —
0377g 5506gs 4798g 6678gf 86410g 6688gf Davids Matador 9-0 68 — 79 — 79 68 79 50 79 43 —
3897gf 2787gs 7616gf 0637s 0457gf 2718g 9488gf 4457s Sunny Future 9-0 68 — 71 48 89 89 71 78 89 40 —
9488s 4746gf 5647gf 6818gf 6698s Quinsman 8-12 66 — 81 — 81 81 — 69 81 57 —
5787gf 2696sd 4787gf 0547g 6638sd 8666gf 2339sd 2749sd Layer Cake 8-11 65 — — — 78 78 54 — 78 38 —
0—6g 7—6s 0—6gf Cheetah Beetah 8-2 56 -12 — — — — — — — — — —
8.35 5f11y Last 8 outings Best ratings
Handicap Horse Wgt OR future Ltst Dist Crs Cls5+Gf-Hd G Gs-Hv 6-11rn Base Master
4785sd 4745sd 9595g 1665gf 2545gf 2845gf 5626sd 7525gf Drifting Gold 9-10 75 — 84 41 84 84 76 — 84 80 —
1616sd 4786sd 2705sd Night Affair 9-7 75 — — — — — — — — — —
5686f 2815gf 2825gf 1725gf 2855g 2685g 7575s 6—5gf Matterofact 9-3 68 — 85 74 85 83 85 82 85 74 —
71035gs 5745s 2755f 8385gf 6235gf 0735sd 6725hy 8645gf Littlemisssunshine 9-2 67 — 107 — 107 107 99 103 96 59 —
8565sd 6705sd 7465gf 5775gf 9635gf 7—5g 7775gf 8205s Wibbadune 8-12 63 -3 — 95 — 95 95 93 84 95 61 —
3625sd 3746sd 1645sd 3825s 6635gf 9506sd 8625sd 8795sd Jane’s Payoff 8-9 60 — 82 — 82 63 — 82 82 — —
5536gs 7775gf 6615gf 7715gf 3685sd 3786sd 7495gf 2685g Diane’s Choice 8-5 56 — 113 83 113 97 113 89 97 60 —
7576gf 6726gf 5616gf Chandika 8-4 58 — — — 72 72 — — 57 43 —the last two races saw carbonhoof print and dianas choice win if you understand speed stats then you may find thhis easier to read as all i do is look at this page and the winners obvious most of the time
3747g what does this mean
3747g===was third in the race at a mark of 74 in a 7 f race with good ground
folkstone was the greatest today(top ts rated)
race1…..1st
race2…..1st
race 3…..1st
race 4…..1st..2nd
race5….2nd
race6….1st and 2ndthats the placepot
bath 3 winners 3 place…12 horses (2 races no winners)
sandown 4 won…3 placed….12 horses(1 race no winners)
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