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Can remember when they treid to break into the weighing room to get at Andy Turnell because he failed to get the fav beyond the tapes…think it was in national (help someone) he dropped his hands I saw him can I get my money now?
Thoughtful idea Ginger but it simply wouldn’t get past go. Jcokey could be on a gamble…….looks over his shoulder only one danger………he feels the horse tighten up with 1/2 furlong to go, knows he’s in trouble and thinks OH OH…………I know dink!!!!!! drop my hands and we’ll still get a 50% pay day……….get the picture?
As has already been pointed out the jockeys are professionals and are being paid to do their job. If they drop their hands they get punished, arguably the penalties could be stronger than they currently are to act as a greater deterrent, but that is for another debate.
Whilst it is frustrating for the punter who loses out when such an occurence happens, that ultimately is one of the risks of punting. Also where some punters lose out others gain. It is one of the risks of punting.
Anyway, over time incidents will balance out – I have certainly lost money on races due to such incidents and equally I have benefited when it has happened as well – swings and roundabouts and all that.
Demoting a horse which has gained an advantage from a rule infringement is not the same as promoting a horse who has lost a race due to an infringement, which is effectively what is being argued here.
The only reason that should be accepted for a jockey dropping his hands is that he thought that the horse he was riding was beaten and had no more to give, or obviously he thought the horse was injured.
I would reprimand(at least) a jock for dropping his hands even if it was a winning ride.
Colin
Micky Mo
O.K. so it should have read half the stake, will change it.Yes, by your example it would cost the bookies a little bit more.
But it is just as likely your example would be reversed, saving the bookmakers money.But Ginge, can you explain why a bookie should pay out on a horse that lost because it’s jockey dropped his hands?
I just don’t think it’s going to happen mate. Just punish the jockeys more would be a much more sensible thing to do – though not to the extent of chopping their hands off like Colin suggested – though it was a great suggestion
The only reason that should be accepted for a jockey dropping his hands is that he thought that the horse he was riding was beaten and had no more to give, or obviously he thought the horse was injured.
I would reprimand(at least) a jock for dropping his hands even if it was a winning ride.
Colin
Agree wholeheartedly – Mick Fitz on Chomba Womba at Kempton in November being a prime example.
On a technical point if a jock believes a horse is injured he is obliged to pull it up, never mind drop his hands.
Can remember when they treid to break into the weighing room to get at Andy Turnell because he failed to get the fav beyond the tapes…think it was in national (help someone) he dropped his hands I saw him can I get my money now?
Thoughtful idea Ginger but it simply wouldn’t get past go. Jcokey could be on a gamble…….looks over his shoulder only one danger………he feels the horse tighten up with 1/2 furlong to go, knows he’s in trouble and thinks OH OH…………I know dink!!!!!! drop my hands and we’ll still get a 50% pay day……….get the picture?
Obviously if the stewards think there is any possibility that this might have happened they would not change the raesult. This is as I said only for obvious cases. I really don’t think a jockey five lengths clear inside the last half furlong would deliberately lose.
And just in case there is any misunderstanding, I did say for betting purposes only (though I do realise connections may have backed the horse themselves.
Value Is EverythingI think they should introduce time opening stalls.
eg;Stall 1 opens and and that horse runs his race.
Stall 2 opens 20 seconds later and that horse runs his race.
Stall 3 opens 20 seconds later and that horse runs his race.and so on:
Each horses race time is strictly timed using state of the art Casio digital watches. Whoever runs the race in the quickest time wins.
Simple yet effective. This would eradicate a number of problems that a traditional race can bring up such as, you would never have a traffic problem so no punter could ever complain about being unlucky due to the horse not getting a clear run. Every horse would be able to take the rail if they wanted it. By racing this way a jockey would be forced to ride his race to the line and there would be none of this dropping hands business when they think they have won as they would be unaware of the other horses time.
I think this idea is great as it would mean that the Stewards would be forced to sign on for job seekers allowance.
Who is with me??
Micky Mo
O.K. so it should have read half the stake, will change it.Yes, by your example it would cost the bookies a little bit more.
But it is just as likely your example would be reversed, saving the bookmakers money.But Ginge, can you explain why a bookie should pay out on a horse that lost because it’s jockey dropped his hands?
Yes, because the horse would have won the race easily by five lengths had the jockey not made a right balls up in the last half furlong.
You seem to be suggesting the bookie loses from this, he may lose a bit sometimes, he will gain others. Over all he will gain nowt and lose nowt.I just don’t think it’s going to happen mate. Just punish the jockeys more would be a much more sensible thing to do – though not to the extent of chopping their hands off like Colin suggested – though it was a great suggestion
Punishing the jockeys more has been proven not to work. It is in the mindset of connections, they think by easing up they will not be slaughtered by the handicapper. It is no use banning the jockey for longer, if jockeys do not ease up easy winners they will not get the rides.
Value Is Everythingbloody stupid, calling it a DH just cos a jock dropped his hands, try telling a winning owner he has to share his prize money
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