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The Melbourne Cup was further than he had ever run before and there was always a risk he would not stay. Would Workforce win an Ascot Gold Cup? I somehow doubt it.
He has too much speed and class to win over the longer distances and I guess that is why Coolmore bought him as a breeding prospect, and also to further advertise the potential of High Chaparral who has been slightly overshadowed by Galileo and Montjeu in EUrope.
Remember this fellow won over 7f as well, and I am absolutely certain Workforce could never do that!
He was VERY impressive yesterday, not sure what else he could have done bar sprouting wings. Could have won by 20 if Seamie had turned him loose earlier I reckon.
Certainly the most exciting middle distance prospect Coolmore have had in a good few years. Very good for racing to have the whole of the Australian racing community backing him.
Tattersalls GC will be an exciting prospect that is for sure. Would not be surprised if WF dodges to be honest.
Seriously SYT donkey licked them in 2 group 1 Cox Plates,which is a class race anywhere and you choose The 2 mile Melbourne Cup to judge him on: Pure Genius!
Shattered1,i am trying to gauge where we may see these 2 Champions meet over a trip that will suit both,i use the Melbourne Cup as i believe he failed to get the 2 miles,i do recognise that
So You Think
has won the 11/4m Cox Plate twice beating the ‘veteran’ Zipping on both ocassions,who incidentally wouldn’t get
Workforce
off the bridle either,so i personally hope they meet over 11/2m,first in the King George and then a rematch in the Arc,lets look forward to it!
Remember this fellow won over 7f as well, and I am absolutely certain Workforce could never do that!
I hate to be a party poop,but he did,
Workforce
has plenty of speed,he could win over 11/4m now but i want to see these 2 race over the trip of true Champions in a race for such,The Arc.I love the support this Aussie imports getting,makes for exciting times.
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Seriously SYT donkey licked them in 2 group 1 Cox Plates,which is a class race anywhere and you choose The 2 mile Melbourne Cup to judge him on: Pure Genius!
Shattered1,i am trying to gauge where we may see these 2 Champions meet over a trip that will suit both,i use the Melbourne Cup as i believe he failed to get the 2 miles,i do recognise that
So You Think
has won the 11/4m Cox Plate twice beating the ‘veteran’ Zipping on both ocassions,who incidentally wouldn’t get
Workforce
off the bridle either,so i personally hope they meet over 11/2m,first in the King George and then a rematch in the Arc,lets look forward to it!
Zipping is a great old war horse,though yes he couldnt be called world class,but thats why SYT blitzed him,i think the best pointer here is to read AOB’s comments after the win,he is a quite restrained bloke and he mentioned it was an honour to have such a horse and other superlatives in other reports,i think that is as good of a guide as any.
visually very impressive, but winning time slow – no more than 4 lengths quicker than the 65 rated 5yo Casbah Rock in the following handicap.
Can anyone please confirm whether the ground was riding soft at the Curragh yesterday, or was it as reported, Good to Firm, but racing into a headwind?
Surely everyone has been over the time thing already with Frankel’s disappointing time on fast ground?
MV,
All this talk of time figures over the past few days has gone to people’s heads.
If the early fractions are slow, then the over all time will be slow. Times can prove a horse is exceptional, but a slow time does
not
mean a horse is poor.
Value Is EverythingSurely everyone has been over the time thing already with Frankel’s disappointing time on fast ground?
Disappointing???
Yur ‘avin’ a larf!
Value Is EverythingGinger I personally had no problem with Frankel’s time, I though the performance was exceptional and that is all that matters to me. I am merely referring to a number of people who suggested the time was on the slow side given the appearance of the race
Times have never mattered in the UK the same way they matter in the US.
not disagreeing with either Admiral or Ginger.
Frankel was astonishing time figure.
So You Think very ordinary time figure for a Group contest, but obvious to anyone that does not mean he is not a smart horse.
Context of the times needs to be considered. STY hacked up in a slow time whereas Frankel was all out and produced the best performance of the Guineas in a long time to produce his time
We just have to wait and see what the guineas field produce this season. Cannot see Dubawi Gold winning anything he was completely flattered by the way he ran the race.
Native Khan I hope can pick up something at Group 2 level or lower level Group 1, I like the horse
As for the other G1 winners in the field, they have a lot to prove in terms of whether they trained on or not.
2 weeks ago got £300 on him at 7/1 for the King George. He is going to destroy that field come July and you’ll see him winning on the absolute snaff!
2 weeks ago got £300 on him at 7/1 for the King George. He is going to destroy that field come July and you’ll see him winning on the absolute snaff!
Good luck with that JJM,as much as i’m adamant
Workforce
is a better horse with cut,even though he can win a Derby on fast ground,i got the impression
So you think
will defineately not want to hear his feet rattle and King Georges are rarely run on less than good fast summer ground these days,i find it amazing these supporters of the Aussie horse can even compare the pairs form but thats racing i suppose.
I do not know what authority you have Kingfisher for the proposition that STY does not like fast ground. His only run on soft he lost and otherwise his runs have been on good to soft or good ground.
Nothing in that to suggest this fellow will not like a rattle in the ground, and in any event he hacked up on top of the ground at the weekend.
Australia being so hot and dry their horses are typically tougher than over here as they train and run on faster ground "as a rule" though obviously there are exceptions.
I am all for arbitrary opinions but they will not cut up in a debate if you fail to back them up with evidence
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Today’s result probably signifies SYT is at least as good as he was in Ozz. Timeform rated both So You Think and Workforce 133, so it will be a mouth watering match. Suspect Workforce has more improvement in him this season, Aidan might bring about a bit in his charge too
Take it as gospel mate Mr O’Brien has zero percent chance of improving So You Think. The horse arrived as finished as any article he could ever receive. Bart Cummings his previous trainer is legendary genius. Nothing improves from his yard.
Some people are easily misled by the Australian track going ratings these days. They do not have an official rating firmer than GOOD. Ground rated as DEAD in Australia would often be described as GOOD in the UK/IRE. Tracks are watered but you can be assured SYT has performed on fast ground.
My Australian form service says he’s started on wet ground twice for a win over seven furlongs at Gr2 level and the Melbourne Cup third over two miles. Unbeaten at nine and ten furlongs. Never started a mile and a half but that looks no problem given his performance at two miles.
For me the thing that was impressive about his Irish debut was the manner he destroyed the opposition given that many older males trained by O’Brien have been much less authoritive first time out. Horses like Fame And Glory and Yeats have not even won on seasonal debut in the past before going on to win Gr1 races. It wasn’t like the horse was tuned up either. Plenty left to work with there. A very exciting prospect.
Bring it on!
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As a quick postscript I wouldn’t take any Timeform rating of an Australian horse as gospel.
I forgot to add the foaling dates because it’s relevant to any improvement discussion re SYT Vs Workforce –
So You Think 10/11/2006
Workforce 14/3/2007
Only four months in it folks. Almost born the same season.
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