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Perhaps socialists should just get by with all the innovations from the communist block then?
No cars. No trains. No TVs. No phones. No computers etc etc etc
Plenty of gulags and missiles though
I think that rather a lot of voters who were fed up with being pigeonholed as “working class” by powerful union barons and by “socialist” oxbridge public schoolboys, who both expected them to know their place in society; saw Thatchers aspirational world as looking after them.rather than “the wealthy”
And that they also see anti business heavy public sector economies, as proposed by the left, as most definitely not In their interests
That’s not “aspirational” that’s just common sense
I get what you mean, Clive, and those are dated labels, I concede.
But if you’re a well-heeled Conservative and Labour get in, the worst thing that can happen to you is you have to pay more tax and can’t change the 4×4 every year.
If you’re a poor Labour voter and the Conservatives get in the worst thing that can happen to you is you or a loved one gets ill, NHS cutbacks mean they can’t get proper care and they DIE.
That’s why you get Labour MPs calling Tories scum and not the other way round.
Politics is just one big game to the Conservatives – the stakes are somewhat higher on the other side, and that’s why they get so angry and emotive.
And yet so many who still need the State vote for tax thresholds they still don’t benefit from (and probably never will) and cuts to an NHS they might one day desperately need.
That’s the reality for many of the aspirational dream.
I’ve long since come to accept it, btw.
It’s a no-brainer looking at election results the last 50 years that overall the UK tends to elect a Conservative government.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"“It’s a no-brainer looking at election results the last 50 years that overall the UK tends to elect a Conservative government.”
Whilst I don’t disagree with the facts, once again the question has to be asked: why do ordinary people vote for an elitist party that does absolutely nothing to benefit them?
Glad the socialist is dead , it’s a dog eat dog world as Maggie sold it , word hard and look after yourself , **** your neighbour , the unemployed have sat TV , microwave food and cheap alcohol , the young don’t want a revolution , they want a Apple 14
That’s fair enough but knowing my local nhs fairly well (not because of me) all I’ve seen is improvement over past 30 years. Yes labour big part of that but that aside, it isnt difficult to understand that it’s best funded in a growing economy and not a union dominated basket case or some dismal socialist utopia
I had no problems with the blair gov at all. What I have a problem with is a prospect of a socialist state which ad we know, always fails
That was a risk under recent labour but the nutters have been nicely sidelined now and they can go back to simply hating Jews
Ffs
Been answered why “ordinary people” benefited from the Tories
Perhaps they have the intelligence to understand the importance of the private sector? Perhaps “ordinary people” didn’t aspire to their children working down mines but setting up.tech enterprises instead ?
Good thread this , proper discussion and no one throwing insults at posters holding an opposite view.
Whilst I don’t disagree with the facts, once again the question has to be asked: why do ordinary people vote for an elitist party that does absolutely nothing to benefit them?
Probably for the same reason that any party proposing tax increases in order to pay for improved public services sinks without trace i.e. the electorate are stupid/selfish as has been noted previously.
My personal dislike of Blair stems from him actually being no different whatsoever from any other politician in so much as he changed his tune at the drop of a hat to get elected and once they get their noses in the trough “long held” principals go out of the window. Let’s not forget in 1983 when first elected in Sedgefield (many on course appearances? – at least John Major always attended Huntingdon on Boxing Day) he campaigned on a CND anti-nuclear ticket – didn’t hear much about that once he was in office did we?
“why do ordinary people vote for an elitist party that does absolutely nothing to benefit them?”
I tried to answer this – aspirationalism.
Funnily enough, despite the cutbacks (which are statistically real in real terms – less spend per capita of the increasing popular after inflation than used to be case) my personal experience of the NHS mirrors Clive’s.
Here in Hampshire, where I live, it seems to be the best I’ve seen in my lifetime.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Well, the surgery I worked at was closed down as it was deemed to be too expensive to run. But we provided a caring, personal service to our village. People used to come and chat in the waiting room; sometimes it was the only time in the day that they would meet up with people. I’d sometimes mention to the doctor on duty that I hadn’t heard from a particular patient for a while and they’d ring them up to see if they were ok. After we closed I read of a surgery where they realised that, if they provided coffee mornings for the older patients their health was better and they didn’t need as many appointments. I could have told them that. I guess it wasn’t really cost effective to keep it going but I’m still proud of the service we provided for many years.
“I guess it wasn’t really cost effective…”
And that’s the problem when everything is run by bean counters. How do you put a price on the life of the elderly person who subsequently dies of loneliness as they have nowhere else to go?
“You call it aspirationalism; I call it gullibility.”
Well, regardless of what label we put on it, it does provide an answer of sorts to your question.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Yes forget the cost its irrelevant
Reminds me of a column I read not long ago. Labour risks becoming single issue party if it bangs on about the NHS constantly. Voters rightly ask… and what else have you got?
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