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A successful PM makes sure they have the right people about them , Blair did this well at the start , he picked up on the country`s mood when Diana died for instance, something the Royals handled miserably and took years to recover from , he also made the same mistake as Thatcher , he stayed to long , also got dragged into a war he shouldn’t have , he could have left having saved lives in Ireland but instead he,ll always carry the blood of soldiers who shouldn’t have been in Iraq , PS China is trying to be the US , country is full of American knockoffs , all the fake raybans , coffee and Levi,s won’t stop the young finally rebeling against the dictators …they,ll be blood on the streets again
Also did you want was removed in China in the last 10 days …. The youngsters need to stand again
Troy I don’t think Tony Blair can be held responsible for all those deaths. As for the deaths in the military. Regretful as they are they’re in that “job” whether their leaders are right or wrong. Take all that died in the war on both sides. Brown who followed Blair career was ended when he visited my town and argued with a woman.
You've got to accentuate the positive.
Eliminate the negative.
Latch on to the affirmative.
Don't mess with mister in between.The a petition of 25000 people to strip Tony of his knighthood.
You've got to accentuate the positive.
Eliminate the negative.
Latch on to the affirmative.
Don't mess with mister in between.As I get older I try to see things in the round.
Little in this life is binary.
Few people are entirely good or bad.
Blair’s negatives – many in his party wouldn’t consider him a true man of the left and would question the difference between him and a One Nation Conservative like David Cameron. No PM should crawl up the backside of a USA President, Harold Wilson’s greatest achievement was something he didn’t do – get Britain involved in the Vietnam War. He invented every excuse in the book to keep Nixon off his back about it. Blair failed there. Plus he’s religious – beware any man who might feel he has God on his side.
Blair’s positives – If you’re anti Tory, or simply believe no Party should be in power beyond 18 years, Blair put a stop to that and arrested the country’s steady move to the right. And if you’re a Conservative, well at least Blair wasn’t a Michael Foot or a Jeremy Corbyn. Tax didn’t rise that much for the well heeled.
I’d abolish the whole Honours system, the same as I’d abolish the monarchy and so much of the establishment.
The UK is crying out to be an egalitarian meritocracy and it’s still anything but.
Nothing wrong with people being rich and powerful so long as they work hard and are smart.
Still too many idiots getting bought a private education and then strings being pulled to get them into jobs they have no business doing.
That’s what rankles with State educated intelligent hard working people on both the left and right of politics.
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A friend of mine was in the Labour Party and on the eve of the 1997 Election he said to me: “If Labour win tonight I wouldn’t mind if they did literally nothing for five years. That would be preferable to five more years of the Tories dragging the UK even further to the right.”
To suggest Blair didn’t at least temporarily (well, for 13 YEARS) arrest the country’s steady move to the right since 1979 and was in fact no different to continuous Conservative rule 1979-2022 and counting is not a credible notion IMO.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"I’d counter that by positing that by moving Labour to the right, in order to win the “centre” ground, Blair accelerated the constant drift to the right which has been happening since Thatcher came to power and consigned any prospect of a truly socialist government completely redundant.
This, in turn, pushed the Tories further to the right and we’ve all seen where that has taken us.
Well, I think there’s a bit of a sea change going on at the moment because, chatting to one of my oldest friends who is a lifelong Conservative voter she suddenly said ‘I think I’m turning into a socialist’. I nearly fell off my chair. This is after finding myself campaigning for a peoples vote with as many Conservative voters as Labour ones: in fact probably more so.
The Tories weren’t “more to the right” under Cameron and may
The idea that Blair is responsible for the fact we will never have a “truly socialist government” is just absurd. As ever with the left, it’s always someone else’s fault
Ok, thanks for that, Gladiateur – I’m clearer on where you’re coming from on this now.
I kinda lost interest in politics when John Smith died.
I thought he was the last really clever man in politics – much more intelligent than Blair.
He was moderate, yet radical, and seemed to have the respect of all sections of his Party.
I think Britain might be very different today had he lived and Blair never been anything other than a Minister.
But Blair was a moderate, Wilson was a moderate, both Labour’s winners in my lifetime were moderates.
Foot and Corbyn were beaten, and though Corbyn got a lot of votes first time round as the Lib-Dem and UKIP votes collapsed, he still couldn’t actually win more seats than May and was nowhere near a majority.
Britain loves its moderates – in opposition the Conservatives put up a couple of right-wingers against Blair and he beat them both.
Cameron was moderate, so is Johnson in many ways, that’s why the right of his Party detest him.
Was, 1945 and the creation of the NHS aside, there ever a socialist Labour PM?
I don’t think so – I have seen nothing in my lifetime to suggest the UK wants one.
To borrow your phrase from earlier, most people are “selfish wankers” and selfish wankers won’t ever vote for socialism.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"“Britain loves its moderates”
The problem is that what is seen as the centre ground now would have been considered fairly right wing a generation ago. The drift rightwards of the political scene can be likened to plate tectonics- a silent but constant shifting of the ground on which we all stand.
“Harold Wilson’s greatest achievement was something he didn’t do – get Britain involved in the Vietnam War.”
Agree 100%. I do not think there is a lot to be said for Wilson’s time as PM but at least he did that and deserves our gratitude.
Considering the amount of practice they’ve had the US are pretty poor at wars , Jesus in Iraq our boys were more worried about so called ” friendly fire ” rather than the Iraq troops
I always remember Morrissey doing a interview about being a socialist ….while sitting in his Porsche 911
“Ian do you think Labour would have got in with Smith in 97 if he had lived ?”
It is often said that oppositions don’t win elections, governments lose them.
I would argue John Major was a “dead man walking” ever since Black Friday, I can never recall a PM and his Chancellor ever being made to look such abject clueless clowns as Major and Lamont were as they handed over billions of taxpayers money to currency speculators in a futile fight against market forces.
All the Opposition had to do was avoid in fighting and take the p**s out of Major at every opportunity to win in 1997.
Smith would have done both – and been wickedly witty with it.
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