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Ok I understand that as English fans you have to take the possitives out of tonights game to keep spirits up and not to loose sight, but that was truly terrible.
England are a team which has several top class brilliant players. Rooney,Gerard,Lampard, and Ashley Cole could perhaps claim to be the best there is in their respective possitions the world over, so why oh why oh why did Fabio Capello opt for long ball tactics. A team full of class and he decides he wants to forget about playing in midfield and just launch the ball upto Heskey all night and ask those around him to feed off the scraps!!!! I would urge England fans not to blame Green but more so blame Capello, what was he playing at…….
Its not going overboard by calling tonights performance pathetic. Just seen the ITV panel saying England played well and the Green incident was just a freak accident, one of them things, unlucky… Get real England was truly terrible.
Anyone of the better teams watching tonights game must surely now be hoping to play England asap, They must now be seen as one of the easier teams to play (By the way as the USA claimed beforehand) and not as one of the favourites, that ship has long sailed.
Lets call a spade a spade here the USA in competitive football are a very average team, Im sure they couldn’t believe their luck tonight when they seen how England were approaching the game.
Fabio Cepello 100% to blame for tonights efforts…
Fabio Cepello 100% to blame for tonights efforts…
Fabio Capello 0% to blame for tonights efforts,he quite simply picked what he thought was his strongest side and on a world scale,that just about sums up Englands chances of winning the World Cup! No Chance!
Don’t forget we drew our first game in ’66
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Well, many of us here don’t think Engerrrland are going to win the World Cup.
The game against the US threw up more questions than answers.
Is King going to play again?
Will Green get through the rest of the tournament without any further aberrations?
How can we get more out of Rooney?
Carragher looked too susceptible from pace, can we afford to play him again?
We should still get through the group….but when we meet the top teams we are surely going to struggle.
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On that they might get top weight in a class 5 handicap…at Wolverhampton… for 2 grand… in winter
Just another case of England expecting too much.
Underestimating the opposition when the stakes are so high is never a good or sensible thing. The USA played well and proved they are no mugs – just as England once again proved they are no world beaters.Even so, nobody can legislate for Robert Green’s howler -I am certain that Capello will drop him for their next game with Algeria.
England will probably still qualify but oppostion teams will simply not roll over. If only the game was played on paper.
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Fabio Cepello 100% to blame for tonights efforts…
Fabio Capello 0% to blame for tonights efforts,he quite simply picked what he thought was his strongest side and on a world scale,that just about sums up Englands chances of winning the World Cup! No Chance!
So let me get this straight you think the approach of pumping the long ball all night upto Heskey for others to feed off is the right approach?????? How on earthe can you expect Rooney,Gerard, and Lampard to do what they do best when they are beiong asked to give away the ball the minute they get it with long hope for the best passes up to Heskey???
The good team keep the ball, anyone who has ever played football will tell you its hard enough to win the ball, once you win it the aim is to keep it not give it away and put pressure right back on yourself..
Just to clear up, the reason I am largely shocked is because I simply couldn’t believe that a coach as successfull and knowledgable as Capello would adopt such tactics tonight.
Rooney is possibly the best player in the world. Good strikers need service, they need the ball to show what they can do. Asking Rooney to feed off scraps from long balls isn’t going to show off Rooney’s ability, it also doesn#t allow Englands midfield to show what they can do i.e supply quality ball.
To be honest Im starting to doubt wether the England team have respect for Capellos approach, most definitely they have respect for his discipline, but I noticed on several occasions Rooney going crazy every time the ball was played long and high upto Heskey when Rooney himself was in a passable possition.
Capello’s approach 100% to blame.
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Having said all that you guys do have a fair point of yet more underachievment.
It has always amazed me how England despite inventing the game of Football, and having more players playing the sport than any other country in the world still can’t actually win anything or even come close to winning anything.
It passed embaressing a long time ago I know but still shocking how poor England are given their resources.
Surely the people who invent a sport should be one of the best at it???????
England will qualify from easily the worst group in the competition but thats about it. 2nd round or 1/4 final is about the best they can hope, and yet more slating from their press.
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Capello’s approach 100% to blame.
You continue to look at the England team through your blinkers Joncol, blaming one person 100% for an overall less than average performance suggests you have a problem with the Manager rather than those on the field! Like i have already said,if thats the best we"ve got,we will be lucky to get past the last 16! Mark my words,as long as i am "The Ante-Post King" England wont be winning the World cup and anyone who thinks they will are kidding themselves on big time!
I thought we played well overall and were just cost by an unfortunate goalkeeping error.
There’s no ‘easy’ games at International level nowadays and certainly not in the World cup. The USA are a decent hardworking team and were never gonna be a rollover victory for us.
I think the error from Green did have a bit of an impact through the team aswell and from being pretty conservative and held back from the start, I think we were even more so after the error as we didn’t want to lose the game.
Despite that we still dominated for long periods and created at least half a dozen decent goalscoring chances.
For a team that supossedly knocked the long ball all night
, both Lennon and Wright-Phillips got into some terrific positions as did Johnson. It was just the end product that seemed to be lacking.The important thing tonight was to not lose which we achieved. I’m sure in the next couple of games we will play a lot more expansive game and see Johnson and Cole get forward a bit more than they did tonight and support the wingers to do damage out wide and give Rooney the service he needs.
A pleasing start for me (barring Green’s error) and still on course…
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A pleasing start for me (barring Green’s error) and still on course…On course for a flight home before the end of June!
Having said all that you guys do have a fair point of yet more underachievment.
It has always amazed me how England despite inventing the game of Football, and having more players playing the sport than any other country in the world still can’t actually win anything or even come close to winning anything.
It passed embaressing a long time ago I know but still shocking how poor England are given their resources.
Surely the people who invent a sport should be one of the best at it???????
Didn’t England invent a load of other sports that England are now useless at? The game’s been played for how many years, so why would inventing the sport lead to an advantage in the year 2010?
And, btw, I don’t think England have great resources, and because of the Premier League, I’m convinced the resources will only get weaker.
Shocked??
I’ve been saying the same thing for more than ten years now:
We do not possess the technical ability to win a World Cup, or even a European Championship.
Our players are simply not comfortable when they are in possession. I can think of only a handful of players, since the turn of the century, who have / had technical ability and look composed when they have the ball at their feet:
David Beckham, Teddy Sheringham, Paul Scholes, Rio Ferdinand..that’s it.
Steven Gerrard gives the ball away far too often at international level. Unfortunately, he doesn’t have the ability to dominate a game at this level. When he can’t dominate a game, he’s half the player.
Was Joe Cole on the bench tonight? If so, why play that headless chicken, Shaun Wright-Phillips?
Surely the clanger by Robert Green will have a detrimental effect on the confidence of our back four. It doesn’t help that whomever fills the central defensive positions are already devoid of pace.
Even when we play the ‘international minnows’, they keep position far better than we do – we just possess the pace and power to bulldoze them, but we can’t do that against decent, well organised sides.
What makes our football so attractive to the rest of the world is, at the same time, detrimental to our chances of winning a major international competition.
Our ‘tub-thumping’ style of football is to blame, not the manager. Until our approach to the beautiful game is changed, we will continue to be vulnerable against more tactically flexible, technically balanced sides.
Glen Johnson was a positive to take out of the game, particularly going forward.
This isn’t a disaster and we should be far too powerful for Algeria and Slovenia. We have a ‘punchers chance’ of beating any team in the competition – there a goals all over the England team – but I think the Quarter Finals is the best we can hope for.
Poor performance against very ordinary opposition. Fortunately, it looks like a relatively weak Group.
Rooney did have an exceptional season but as I suggested in the other thread it appears that season effectively ended when he was injured in the Bayern match. He was back floating around an the halfway line again tonight and he desperately needs a goal.
Rather than a plus I think it is a little worrying that Johnson looked more dangerous going forward than the supposedly more creative players ahead of him.
Judged on that hopefully Carragher will not be needed too often.
If there is a crumb of comfort save for the South African goal there hasn’t been that much to excite in any of the games.
It could’ve been worse.
I had USA to score the second goal then followed it up with some of the return on ‘no third goal’ & without risking a single penny of my own money (totesport special offer).
As someone who doesn’t think England will ever be good enough while the Premier League is almost entirely foreign players, I’ve got to take happiness from wherever it comes!
Underestimating the opposition when the stakes are so high is never a good or sensible thing. The USA played well and proved they are no mugs – just as England once again proved they are no world beaters.
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