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- October 26, 2007 at 10:44 #5476
This is shaping up into a highlight of the season with 171 apiece as of now. I’m quite caught up with it. Today they are both heavily involved again and doubling up at Wolves tonight. Sanders looks to have the tougher round at Doncaster so I’m thinking Spencer may inch ahead at Ayr today, with all to play for tonight.
It’s fantastic what they’re doing really, giving it everything. I recall similiar in the NH some years ago, not sure if it was McCoy/Johnston or Scudamore/Francome that went all the way to the wire.Has anyone had a bet on this by the way? I did want Seb to win as I feel he makes fewer mistakes but now I don’t mind, it’s just a great show they’re putting on.
October 26, 2007 at 10:55 #121454Hi UM,
Yes, it’s been a great race and quite satisfying that it has had a lot of tv coverage. OK, mostly on the racing channels, but Sky Sports News have covered it every day for about the last 6 weeks, and I even seen an article about it on Sky New in their sports coverage.
When I walk to my local shops and pass the bookies, you can’t fail to notice the giant poster of Spencer v Sanders, with the staff updating the totals daily – it’s great.
As for the outcome, I’d have to say it’s for the taking now for Spencer as I believe Sanders has a 3 day ban coming up. I’d love Sanders to win it however, but his luck just seems to have changed for the worse lately (I think he got beat in 3 photo finishes yesterday).
But yes, it’s been very good for the sport in general.
Mike
October 26, 2007 at 10:56 #121455Maybe I’m just a miserable git or something, but am I the only one who isn’t that bothered about the destination of the Jockeys’ Championship?
Rob
October 26, 2007 at 11:22 #121461Rob,
No, you’re not alone in being less than fascinated in finding out which of them has the better agent, which is what it comes down to when winners at these floodlit meetings are the deciding factor.
AP
October 26, 2007 at 11:45 #121468Often wondered why Seb dosent get more rides in pattern and listed races. He’s only ridden about half the number of horses in those type of races as Jamie has this year.
Unfashionable? Agent?
October 26, 2007 at 12:02 #121473Maybe I’m just a miserable git or something, but am I the only one who isn’t that bothered about the destination of the Jockeys’ Championship?
Rob
..yes Rob, you’re a miserable old git…lol…no not really, I’m sure you’re not and entitled to be less than enthusiastic about the outcome especially if you have an NH bias maybe.
However, I just thought that as a Racing Forum their efforts should at least be acknowledged, although as Mike has put me right on, Sanders has a suspension coming up so it’s probably all over bar the shouting [oh darn it
], perhaps Seb can go 6 clear today to keep him in with half a chance
October 26, 2007 at 12:13 #121477This is shaping up into a highlight of the season
Finsceal Beo in the 1000 Guineas, Authorized in the Derby/Internation. Manduro in the Prince of Wales, Sakhee’s Secret in the July Cup, Dylan Thomas in the King George and Arc. Yes, all pale into insignificance alongside Seb and Jamie in a 0-60 at Wolverhampton at 8.50 on a friday night.
October 26, 2007 at 12:18 #121479True David, but I did say ‘a’ highlight, not ‘the’ highlight. That’s my excuse anyway
..but I’m sorry you don’t appreciate it. I’ll watch it alone then
October 26, 2007 at 12:22 #121481The importance of the jockey’s championship in the greater scheme of the flat season is surely shown tonight and tomorrow night where neither of the 2 jockeys in question have a ride at the Breeders Cup (with apologies to either/both if they turned down a ride at Monmouth Park to fight it out at home)
October 26, 2007 at 12:30 #121484Rob,
No, you’re not alone in being less than fascinated in finding out which of them has the better agent, which is what it comes down to when winners at these floodlit meetings are the deciding factor.
AP
Come on AP, you know this not to be the case. Having the best agent does not decide who wins the Jockey Championship and you know it.
There are some great agents out there, with the jockeys on their books being nowhere near to being champion. In fact, I’m sure both Jamie and Seb’s agents have other jockeys on their books – so if what you believe in to be true, then why aren’t they challenging for the title?
You may not be interested in who wins the jockey’s title this season, but it would be nice to acknowledge the achivements of the jockeys in contention, rather than put it down to them having the better agent. Obviously you are entitled to your opinon though, and I respect that.
Mike
October 26, 2007 at 12:48 #121488Maybe I’m just a miserable git or something, but am I the only one who isn’t that bothered about the destination of the Jockeys’ Championship?
Rob
There was me thinking i was the only one
welcome to the "who cares" club guys
October 26, 2007 at 13:02 #121491Quiet a harmless post you just deleted there, Dave.
The Taliban wouldn’t have as much censorship.
A simple post, that shows how fickle your average punter is.
October 26, 2007 at 13:26 #121494There was me thinking i was the only one
welcome to the "who cares" club guys…Far from racing being in general decline as is often suggested, it’s the level of cynicism that gets me more and some of it is apparent on this thread. It’s unfortunate to me that people cannot appreciate what it is that’s put before them.
Credit to RUK as Tom O’Ryan and Mark Howard gave it the right level of importance at the start of their broadcast today.
October 26, 2007 at 13:27 #121495MM,
I think you’re stretching the meaning of my post – I’m simply referring to the role of the agent in selecting and booking the best rides.
Take Wolverhampton this evening where both men ride – Spencer is on Khandala (3/1), Beamsley Beacon (7/1), Power Player (2/1) and Boz (8/13). Sanders is on Northern Boy (9/2), Solemn (10/1), Uhuru Peak (10/1) and Cavalry Twill (16/1).
If Spencer gets the best of thngs this evening, will that be down to his skills, or will the ability of his agent to pick short priced horses and book his man influence the outcome?
When looking for outside rides, the agent is effectively a tipster with one client. Last night, Spencer’s agent was shown to be a very good tipster!
AP
October 26, 2007 at 14:06 #121501Quiet a harmless post you just deleted there, Dave.
The Taliban wouldn’t have as much censorship.
A simple post, that shows how fickle your average punter is.
Did I miss something here?
October 26, 2007 at 14:17 #121505Far from racing being in general decline as is often suggested, it’s the level of cynicism that gets me more and some of it is apparent on this thread. It’s unfortunate to me that people cannot appreciate what it is that’s put before them.
Credit to RUK as Tom O’Ryan and Mark Howard gave it the right level of importance at the start of their broadcast today.

Bang on. I think far from this being something to dismiss out of hand, it should be something we are talking up, as if it were not for the jockey’s title race the flat season would have precisely bugger all left after tomorrow. It’s these sorts of duels and tussles which IMO should be the main selling point of racing to the public at large. Fine, it may not be the glory days of Eddery and Cauthen hurling G1 wins at each other, but it’s something which makes that 0-60 racing at Wolverhampton seem that little bit less insignificant.
October 26, 2007 at 14:32 #121507Quiet a harmless post you just deleted there, Dave.
The Taliban wouldn’t have as much censorship.
A simple post, that shows how fickle your average punter is.
Did I miss something here?
Yeh if you blinked Dave,
Basically my post was about how changeable punters are when it comes to Spencer, he can be a the villian & the hero all in the space of a few races. I used bleep, to explain the swear words he gets called by the punters in my local when he mucks it up. Somehow the Mullah thought my post deserved to be deleted.Actually I do believe I owe an apology as it is entirely my own fault my post was actually on the Dave Smith commentary thread.
Please except my sincere apology, Dave Cormack.
Even though you can be Mullah like sometimes.
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