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Hi Louise, I know Prince Flori as a racehorse, he was always underestimated, as Smrczek is a smaller trainer, but he was a real good stayer and as his highlight he won the G1 at Baden over 12f.
Unfortunately I can’t tell you anything about him as a stallion, I didn’t even know that he is active there.
His breeding looks quite solid, his father Lando was one of our best ones, and the dam’s sire Nebos was a good stayer from the 70ies. I hope that helps you a bit?Yes Ruby, British racing is a worldwide role model, if Britain started banning the whip, the rest would surely follow! Here in Germany a ban is discussed, but the opponents say: “Look at the motherland of racing, they don’t have any whipping limitations at all”. But I hope this will change, better sooner than later!
Hein, you know what horse I admired the most during the first decade of the new millennium?
It was Soldier Hollow, who won twice the Dallmayr Preis. The first time at 5 and then at 7 again. That is not too bad considering that the race used to attract a number of good horses from abroad until 10 years ago…Yes Ruby, he came late and great as a racehorse!
For the last couple of years he has been very successful as a stallion for the “giant” fee of 25000€, at least for our ratios. British breeders probably would laugh about that..Daft idea in my opinion, think it would take away about 90 percent of the excitement from the flat game.
Part of the enjoyment of the winter for me is not only enjoying the jumps but also looking forward to the classics and speculating which two year olds might become champions at three.
Not to mention we’d lose all those great races like the queen mary, the gimcrak and the dewhurst. We’d have never seen the breathtaking Zafonic take his opposition apart in the Salamandre and Dewhurst and Arazi run right by them in the breeders cup.
No, no, no. Fortunately it’s a daft idea and will never happen.
Although it would save me a small fortune as I tend to get hammered on two year old races
Part of the enjoyment of the winter for me is not only enjoying the jumps but also looking forward to the classics and speculating which two year olds might become champions at three.
Not to mention we’d lose all those great races like the queen mary, the gimcrak and the dewhurst. We’d have never seen the breathtaking Zafonic take his opposition apart in the Salamandre and Dewhurst and Arazi run right by them in the breeders cup.
No, no, no. Fortunately it’s a daft idea and will never happen.
Although it would save me a small fortune as I tend to get hammered on two year old races 😉
To be fair, Judge; I think what people are suggesting is making the three year old season the same as the current 2 year old season. So you’d pretty much still get those races, they’d just be 3 year olds taking part in the Dewhurst etc. Classic year would be 4 year olds. You’d be “speculating” which 3 year old would become champions or classic winners at four. Punters may not see much difference; only thing would be when Classic Winners of different years take each other on they’d be doing so at level weights. ie a 4yo taking on a 5 or 6 year old.
Value Is EverythingPart of the enjoyment of the winter for me is not only enjoying the jumps but also looking forward to the classics and speculating which two year olds might become champions at three.
Not to mention we’d lose all those great races like the queen mary, the gimcrak and the dewhurst. We’d have never seen the breathtaking Zafonic take his opposition apart in the Salamandre and Dewhurst and Arazi run right by them in the breeders cup.
No, no, no. Fortunately it’s a daft idea and will never happen.
Although it would save me a small fortune as I tend to get hammered on two year old races 😉
To be fair, Judge; I think what people are suggesting is making the three year old season the same as the current 2 year old season. So you’d pretty much still get those races, they’d just be 3 year olds taking part in the Dewhurst etc. Classic year would be 4 year olds. You’d be “speculating” which 3 year old would become champions or classic winners at four. Punters may not see much difference; only thing would be when Classic Winners of different years take each other on they’d be doing so at level weights. ie a 4yo taking on a 5 or 6 year old.
it’s still different though isn’t it? it just wouldn’t be the same. three year olds aren’t the same as two year olds and they don’t develop as much from three to four as they do from two to three so wouldn’t be the same level of excitement.
I hate it when people mess with tradition. for example they are moving the pga championship from sep to may which will ruin the tournament imo. if it’s not broke why fix it….
Hein Bollow – thank you, Exactly what I wanted to know, much appreciated.
You’re very welcome, Louise.
I am glad to have helped you, and good luck with your breeding plans!Agree with what Judge said……
Late maturing type horses will always be around but those little speedy two year olds that don’t train on will be put on the scrap heap and we won’t see the likes of Tiggy Wiggy etcGaelic Warrior Gold Cup Winner 2026
I believe 2-y-o racing is right, because of the growing athletes development into a stronger racehorse. 3-y-o+ who have raced at 2 or at least trained upon that are sounder and race longer than stowaways.
Can’t find the article from Howard Wright on Racing Post Titled: “Veterinary Seminar: Study claims early racing does not harm horse” this is due to the Tendons stop in developing flexibility and strenght at app 2 years of age. A winters training and racing or close to at 2 is good to the horse. This I believe is true, but if fact says different, keep them on the farm another year.Stil can’t find that but here is a link stating some of the same reasons, though not as a fact.
https://ker.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/SKELETAL-ADAPTATION-DURING-GROWTH-AND-DEVELOPMENT-A-GLOBAL-RESEARCH-ALLIANCE-420.pdfBest Wishes
SilkWhenever anyone makes a bizarre suggestion such as this or banning the whip I never cease to be amazed why they never make it clear whether they want a worldwide ban, or they just mean for Britain to do it unilaterally. I would have thought that was quite an important factor in any decision with regards the possible implications.
I don’t know how much you are familiar with the role British horse racing plays all over the world. They host the most prestigious race – the Grand National, they host the most prestigious meeting – Royal Ascot and they have the most unique racecourses in the world PLUS so much more….
Britain is THE world leader in terms of horse racing, you can compare them with the Dow Jones Index. It almost doesn’t matter how other economies or companies perform, everybody looks at the Dow Jones first. And that is the very same with British horse racing.
Everything that they initiate is taken seriously all over the racing world. And if they would take certain steps to improve the quality of the breed, I think that would have a much bigger impact then if it had happened in Norway or India.Very much agre with you ExRuby (sorry for the report, hit the wrong button).
The whip has been banned for a quarter of a century or more in Norway, they have great racing and brought up William Buick for you to enjoy. His father won many races without a stick.
Here is Guiseppe Piazzi winning in Norway (no whipping) and in Denmark where the rules have been restricted to no more than 3 smacks (is of cause challenged) https://youtu.be/c5r5x3UPykk
Best Wishes
SilkIt is strange that the organized racing of throroughbreds on the Flat has, since inception, concentrated on testing immature horses
Anyone know how and why this curious situation developed or is it, as I suspect, lost in the mists of 18th century time ?
Colt and Fillies becoming Horses and Mares at 5yo might be a somewhat arbitrary choice of age at which to ascribe ‘adulthood’ to horses but it’s certainly the case that 2 & 3yo are juveniles: the WFA given by 4yo+ the most obvious evidence
It’ll never happen but I’d be more than happy if horses began their Flat careers with a gentle introduction to competitive racing midway through their 3rd year, contesting a series of modest Maidens and Conditions races; and then onwards and upwards the following year with all Pattern Races open to and only for 4yo-and-up, including the Classics, no WFA.
Likewise, for the lesser lights, handicaps to be contested only from 4yo and all open to 4yo-and-up
Very much agre with you ExRuby (sorry for the report, hit the wrong button).
The whip has been banned for a quarter of a century or more in Norway, they have great racing and brought up William Buick for you to enjoy. His father won many races without a stick.
Here is Guiseppe Piazzi winning in Norway (no whipping) and in Denmark where the rules have been restricted to no more than 3 smacks (is of cause challenged) https://youtu.be/c5r5x3UPykk
https://youtu.be/_tvDGR3p2-gThanks for uploading the video Silk. It was a very good race to watch even without the whip. Let me ask you something: what happens in Denmark if the winner gets hit 5-6 times and wins by a very narrow margin?
Does only the jockey get banned or will the horse also lose the race?only thing would be when Classic Winners of different years take each other on they’d be doing so at level weights. ie a 4yo taking on a 5 or 6 year old.
To be honest this is the argument and why I for one would actually be in favour should it be brought in universally across the globe.
Does anyone remember Swain?
Never ran at 2, first race at 3 in May and won twice the KG at 5 and 6. Even more remarkable is the fact that the King George was won FOUR YEARS IN A ROW by horses born in the same year 1992.
Lammtarra 1995
Pentire 1996
Swain 1997 and 1998That was quite a good year…..
How great it would have been to see Lammtarra racing at 4 and 5 years as well?
I wouldn’t mind getting rid of two-year old races.
First of all, it’s unfair to run animals that aren’t fully matured or haven’t even reached their 2nd birthday. This happens quite often in March or April when late foals take on horses born in January or February two years ago. For a punter betting on two-year old races is simply a guessing game. They can improve a lot faster than older horses and no one knows what to expect after a 5-6 week break or towards the end of the season. Are they running out of fuel or just getting mature and more experienced and improve for the step up in trip?Looking at what used to be a two-year old operation, Ballydoyle has now become very poor at getting one ready first time out. I think they’ve only had like 3 or 4 first time out winners in the past two seasons. Looking back at the 90s, it was especially Michael Tabor who landed quite regularly decent bets with 1st time out winners trained by A P O’Brien. Things have changed for them as far as successful breeding goes. All their top sires weren’t famous for being spectacular two year olds, though they still had winning form: Camelot only ran twice and both times over a mile, Galileo one race over a mile very late in the season, Montjeu just two runs over 8f and 9f on heavy going in France, High Chaparral ran three times at 2, but also made his debut in September.
Maybe the “German solution” isn’t a bad one, since they have very few 2-year old races and the first ones are rarely run before July. Horses get to know the track and the competition, but very late in the season and aren’t overraced. Can’t stand those idiots who run their juveniles 12, 15 or almost close to 20 times during a season.
That ‘guessing game’ as you put it is half the fun i think.
If you do your research, value is everywhere in the 2 year old races.
Caravaggio last year for example. Lots of us were on for the Coventry stakes antepost after his speed figures in a 2 year old maiden at Dundalk.
I don’t know how much you are familiar with the role British horse racing plays all over the world. They host the most prestigious race – the Grand National, they host the most prestigious meeting – Royal Ascot and they have the most unique racecourses in the world PLUS so much more….
Britain is THE world leader in terms of horse racing, you can compare them with the Dow Jones Index. It almost doesn’t matter how other economies or companies perform, everybody looks at the Dow Jones first. And that is the very same with British horse racing.
Everything that they initiate is taken seriously all over the racing world. And if they would take certain steps to improve the quality of the breed, I think that would have a much bigger impact then if it had happened in Norway or India.That’s good to hear, seeing we will be continuing with both two year old races and using the whip. Nice to know others will be following our excellent example.
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