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Ian,
my point is that I fear no-one can save the forum. Not really. Certainly not you.
As you correctly say some of us are wringing our hands. We’re hoping there’s a way we can salvage something from a desperately sad situation, and keep things as close to as they were.
The current alternatives (letting it wither and die, or heralding the brave new world of Davies) only paint what we have lost in greater relief.
Who knows I may be totally wrong and by some miracle the forum may thrive and be even better in the future. Even so, it won’t be the same.
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Nothing wrong with it in principle but he’s being a bit righteous… and disrespectful.
Craig was a really nice fella and if he banned this Ian chap then he would have done for good reason. And yes, fair play he’s offering to keep the site going, I don’t have any issue with that but I have got an issue with flagrant abuse of someone elses id and the "none of you lot are putting your hands in your pockets but I am look at me" attitude. … It’s almost like little man syndrome. It’s bad taste
FFS!
Ian, until such time as dealings between you and I have reached a conclusion I would appreciate you not saying anything further on the subject in the public domain. I will contact you again via email when I have received your offer.
BigTony, if you persist in letting Ian use your registration to post his replies – or indeed if you reply on his behalf, your membership here will be removed without any further warnings.
Everyone else, please resist from insulting any banned members.
There are a few cock and bull stories being banded around on various forums at the moment about all this. As usual, don’t believe everything you read! If you’ve any concerns please email me at the address in the locked topic…. but not just for the purpose of slagging someone off.
TDK,
I have no plans for the site. Once I disinvolve myself from it I will have no say whatsoever.
Having said that I may add a few clauses to the contract, to keep certain aspects such as the 4PP, systems, competitions. My opinion, of course, is that I wouldn’t want anything to change, but I can’t have my cake and eat it!
LRM
I just want to say that I will support your decision whatever it is – be it to sell or close the forum. If you choose to sell, then I, and every other member, have my own decision to make – ie – to stay or go, depending on my own individual reasons for doing so. I would hope, however, if you choose to sell, that you will try to keep your own membership open and post when you can, as you are a valuable member of this online community and one I would be sad to lose.
Regards
David
I know I dont post much during the flat season, and am much more involved during the NH season, but I feel strongly that it does matter who owns it. I would much rather see it go to existing members, who I’m sure would do a great job. Having said that, I realise that this is a business, and if it is for sale well then normal business rules of inclusion apply.
For what its worth I would seriously have to review my membership if ID took over. The incidents of threatened legal action to other members was not the type of behaviour I would expect from a prospective ownerand rule maker of a public forum. Yes, he brought a lot of good topics to this forum and was insightful in the majority of his posts, but there were far too many cases of provokation and pig headedness for me to believe that he is capable of fairly and unbiasedly running this forum.<br>Maybe I am wrong, but I just thought Id put my side across.<br>Whatever the outcome, it would be a huge shame if TRF was to cease, and I suppose it remaining in operation is paramount to most posters on here, regardless who owns it. For others though, I fear too much damage was done in the past, and that is the last we will hear from them.
I think the postings on this thread are a perfect summary of the goings on – both good and bad – on most public internet forums. People burying hatchets from previous feuds. People using the thread for their own continuing vendettas. People showing emotion at the overall passing away of a valued friend. And mostly, people arguing over matters that really are very small beer in the overall scheme of things.
I’m on 4 Racing forums under various guises and this forum seems to stimulate more worthwhile threads and posters than any other (well, other than the one I part-run, and that’s more cliquey than anywhere else I know!).
Once again I wish LRM well whatever her decision. The Racing Forum under Craig’s stewardship will always be fondly remembered by me, even if I did join it late. I hope it continues going on in the same direction, but if it doesn’t then it will not affect my memories of it.
i thought when i saw alan1’s thread that a perfect response had been given, ie, someone who does this anyway and could continue trf without any baggage but i did not know there were others who could also do so.
the ideal answer is obviously someone interested who can tack this onto what they do with no cost implications, though i for one would not mind a small payment for costs incurred in doing so.
it appears though that there are a number of people who can do this and that there is also a financial value involved – not a shocking discovery but something that puts a different perspective on things.
considering the amount of so-called hatchets to be buried along with financial considerations also, i now wonder what the answer is.
whatever, it has been a good forum, i will be sad to see it go and if it goes the wrong way, market forces will work against it – ie, i and presumably others won’t bother anymore.
it would be nice to think an impartial party can pick this up and run with it as it is but where money is involved, my faith in human nature evaporates. this is in no way disrepectful of where it sits at the moment as personally speaking, looking at what is going on, i’d be glad to get shot of and if there is a price, thank you.
i think but doubt that all will, members would have to agree on a acceptable solution. it’s a shame but all good things do come to an end.
i hope nothing i have typed here offends anyone and if it does i unacceptably claim alcohol as the excuse.
This is all a bit negative!
Whoever takes on the forum cannot feasibly or sensibly set about destroying its values. You do not alienate your core. It would be cutting off your nose etc
anyone who is prepared to spend the money/time must surely realise this?
If they start to bully forumites or try to set an agenda away from what has made it so successful then their investment will disappear. Too many people are going to be very sensitive to that. The power will always reside with the posters. lose good ones (like myself :) ) and the a drift will start which could be terminal
sbeery… (i havent misspelled :) ) …put that bottle away ;)
theres an enormous amount of goodwill here and it would be stupid if that wasnt harnessed
clive, i’m saying it like i see it – handbags at dawn, toys all out of the pram, personal bickering and financial thoughts – all a bit sad and not what i thought it was all about but it just shows how wrong i am. i can understand the arguments about whether the best horse in a race was the one that won it or not but this is different imo, bearing in mind it is about the future of this site – where the hell will everone post their stupid arguments when there is nowhere to post them ?
for all your benefit, signing off
I can’t believe this thread has turned out to be a thread where people are just slagging others off.
Debbie hasn’t even said if she wants to sell or give the site away, and TBH I’m sure she has more important things to be dealing with without having to go through pages of arguments.
If she decides to sell it (to Ian or whoever) then that is her decision and I’m sure everyone will be given the chance to remove their details from the database if required before anything happens.
If she gives it away then the same applies, but I’m sure it’s something she can decide without a thread like this.
There’s already been people saying they will either buy it or take it over and run it, so why not leave all the rumours and bitching until something is announced.
I have just spent a depressing time reading through this thread. Very sad.
I for one have drifted away from the Forum since Craig’s death seldom bothering to log in. For me this flat season has lost its sparkle. Same goes for this forum. I really do not think it will  ever be the same again and it is probably best that it takes some new direction rather than trying to recreate the past. Indeed even up to the end Craig was having real problems trying to keep the forum moderated as per his concept of a racing not purely betting forum.
If it is still here I will take more interest when the flat is over.
Debs my advice to you is to just sell to the highest bidder and walk away.
I have never had a problem with Ian Davies but do find all of this has a real bad taste.
The forum will NEVER be the same again no matter who takes over, how can it be when Craig is gone? no-one could run it like him, I don’t care who takes over the forum as I won’t be around anyway so it’s neither here nor there with me but I do dislike Davies and I have cause to, none of you know what went on so I’d prefer those to stop trying to point a finger at me because I’ve had a dig at him, I’ll sort it all out some day believe me and I’ll post somewhere and let you all know.
And for the record I’ve spoken to Debs and I’ve a very good idea where the forum is going but that’s between myself and Debs, I hope that puts and end to those of you trying to point a finger at me.
If I had the time I’m sure I’d have had the forum but as I haven’t then it’s not got a lot to do with me but as I’m still a menber at this time then I can post just as much as the next person but Davies is banned and he’s allowed to post here via BigTony? I can’t have that and Tony should’ve been banned.
rant over good night! ;)
I agree entirely with dvds2000’s post . Referring back to Gareth’s post and to that of dvds2000 the opportunity to remove your details fromthe database must be given as sign up did not include any Data Protection Act permission to disclose such details ( certainly when I signed up )
Anyway , good luck to all of you in finding a solution that suits.
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Quote: from dvds2000 on 11:18 pm on July 17, 2006[br]I can’t believe this thread has turned out to be a thread where people are just slagging others off.
Debbie hasn’t even said if she wants to sell or give the site away, and TBH I’m sure she has more important things to be dealing with without having to go through pages of arguments.
If she decides to sell it (to Ian or whoever) then that is her decision and I’m sure everyone will be given the chance to remove their details from the database if required before anything happens.
If she gives it away then the same applies, but I’m sure it’s something she can decide without a thread like this.
There’s already been people saying they will either buy it or take it over and run it, so why not leave all the rumours and bitching until something is announced.<br>
(Edited by Ardross at 1:04 am on July 18, 2006)
<br>"……..Debbie hasn’t even said if she wants to sell or give the site away, ……….."
dvds2000 and Ardross, I think you will find that if you read the ‘TRF – The Future’ thread of July 14th., LRM does indeed ask for offers from people to take over the forum, agreed she doesn’t mention selling or giving the site away but I would suggest that they are the only options.
Colin
(Edited by seabird at 5:40 am on July 18, 2006)
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