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Where I come from, if someone cocks up in the job they are employed to do, not only are they entitled to receive criticism for doing so, they should positively expect it.
If anyone cannot handle criticism from the hand that pays them when they screw up royally then they shouldn’t be doing the job in the first place – Thomas, please take note.
For the record, I don’t just believe that if Ruby had ridden Big Buck’s in the Hennessy he would have nearly won – I believe that had almost anyone else but Thomas ridden the horse, he would have nearly won, seeing as he fell off the horse when it was completely unavoidable.
The fact that PN has given Sam Medicinal to ride at Donnie rather than I’msingingtheblues tells you everything……Sam’s days must be numbered …
why?
Christian Williams rode him when he won at donny last time out and Sam Thomas rode Medicinal to win last time out at Haydock.
No point changing what isn’t broke a.
So if Ruby was riding at Donnie which horse do you think PN would have him on? You put the best on the best……
What’s to say Medicinal isn’t the best? Nicholls has only had him for 2 runs
I don’t think you can take anything from these arrangements, in this instance there may not be much between the two and it would be simple to leave either jockey on the horses they have won on. Christian Williams has probably done work with ISTB but may not have ever sat on Medicinal so easy choice for the trainer…
Where I come from, if someone cocks up in the job they are employed to do, not only are they entitled to receive criticism for doing so, they should positively expect it.
If anyone cannot handle criticism from the hand that pays them when they screw up royally then they shouldn’t be doing the job in the first place – Thomas, please take note.
For the record, I don’t just believe that if Ruby had ridden Big Buck’s in the Hennessy he would have nearly won – I believe that had almost anyone else but Thomas ridden the horse, he would have nearly won, seeing as he fell off the horse when it was completely unavoidable.
I totally disagree with that last paragraph. Look again. The horse barely jumped the frame, then swerved violently, unseating his jockey. Only a few would have sat that and to say that had almost anyone else but Thomas ridden the horse he nearly would have won is in my opinion just plane wrong. I will go further and say that he was beat at the time and would not have won – and I am not talking through my pocket.
By the way Shadow Leader, would you have sat tight in such a mistake, I wouldn’t have that’s for sure. Sam Thomas is a good horseman with a good future as jockey. He had a hard time in the autumn. Now is the time to stop knocking the fellow, give him a break and for goodness sake move on
Where I come from, if someone cocks up in the job they are employed to do, not only are they entitled to receive criticism for doing so, they should positively expect it.
If anyone cannot handle criticism from the hand that pays them when they screw up royally then they shouldn’t be doing the job in the first place – Thomas, please take note.
For the record, I don’t just believe that if Ruby had ridden Big Buck’s in the Hennessy he would have nearly won – I believe that had almost anyone else but Thomas ridden the horse, he would have nearly won, seeing as he fell off the horse when it was completely unavoidable.
SHADOW LEADER,
From reading some of your earlier posts on the forum
i was lead to believe you could actually ride horses, your above comment
is not from someone who can ride, but someone that is actually clueless
about horseracing!For the record, I don’t just believe that if Ruby had ridden Big Buck’s in the Hennessy he would have nearly won – I believe that had almost anyone else but Thomas ridden the horse, he would have nearly won, seeing as he fell off the horse when it was completely unavoidable.
That being the case, with Big Buck’s a Hennessy winner ‘in all but name’ why has Nicholls sent him back over hurdles?
Wouldn’t something like the Peter Marsh have been ample consolation, had Nicholls been confident he was up to the task?
My view is that he doesn’t jump well enough to do the undoubted raw talent he has as a chaser justice (yet) nor does he particularly relish the challenge.
I am not saying Big Buck’s should have won the race – I worded it badly – I’m saying he shouldn’t have been unseated and lay the blame for that at Thomas’ door.
Nevermind being able to sit the blunder the horse made – the whole point is that if Thomas had ridden the horse correctly into the fence in the first place he wouldn’t have made the blunder. Jumping a fence is as much about the strides coming into it as it is jumping the obstacle and riding away from it – something which Thomas is not very good at doing.
is intresting to hear that thomas was schooling neptune while ruby was sat on denman next to him.
I don’t rate him as a jockey who can ride well over obstacles, an opinion I’m more than entitled to.
Oh, and GWilson – I form these opinions purely from the point of view that I know how to ride over obstacles from years of experience rather than sitting in my armchair and guessing about it.
Oh, and GWilson – I form these opinions purely from the point of view that I know how to ride over obstacles from years of experience rather than sitting in my armchair and guessing about it.
SHADOW
i started a thread about Sam Thomas weeks ago, the concensus
of opinion stated that Big Bucks was a questionable jumper of fences, he never looked comfortable approaching a fence, i drew that opinion from the comfort of my armchair, a leather armchair that has saddled my opinion
for many years, rarely am i wrong in identifying a dodgy jumper, Big bucks
subsequent runs over hurdles has shown that the horse was to blame for his Hennessy defeat not Sam Thomas, P Nicholls has had to accept in his own way that his comments regarding the ride Sam gave Big Bucks
in the Hennessey were wrong, just like you are!I think, Shadow, that you have to accept that GWilson is what may best be described as, by his own admission, something of an ‘armchair expert’ in these matters. I am sure you will agree that, when it comes to judging a jockey’s style and effectiveness at jumping obstacles, no amount of personal horse riding experience such as you have had can compare to the rigours and knowledge to be gleaned from a hard day sat on a Chesterfield in front of the box with one’s feet resting on a pouffe watching the latest At The Races broadcast. In fact, I’ve no doubt that from time to time, GWilson has fallen off, possibly to sleep. There are those who might argue that Big bucks’ discomfort with jumping was borne from having had Thomas on board in the first place. Personally, I haven’t a clue.
I don’t rate him as a jockey who can ride well over obstacles, an opinion I’m more than entitled to.
The facts speak for themselves. No jockey with the win % that Sam Thomas gets is lacking ability. Some jockeys have a much better win %, but that is because of the ability of the horses they get. If you compare Sam Thomas and Ruby Walsh the % for falls shows precious little difference.
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