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1) What is the process by which interested parties can raise suggested amendments to rule 4 and comment on the current crude amendments allegedly railroaded in by one man few, if any, of us had ever heard of before?
2) Why were the place part of each-way wagers on horses in the last at Ponty on Friday subject to a 60p rule? How can one horse being withdrawn from a three outcome 300%+ book ever justify a 60p rule four when it can never account for more than a third of that book
3) In fact, why was 60p deducted from win bets when the horse in question accounted for less than half of the win price percentage
4) How, does altering this 60p to 61p fix things and make them ‘fairer’?
5) Why, after a horse has bolted/keeled over in the paddock etc, are bookmakers offered a window of opportuinity to shorten the horse up? Why are the prices of the other runners not set in stone for r4 purposes when a punter takes a price on his/her selection?
6) On a related note: when are the BHA going to spend their first man hour policing the inside information rules, introduced with loud trumpets in response to Panorama, with regards to bookies? There’s at least one major bookmaker who are notorious for shortening up runners, from stables they have close links to, before they are formerly scratched. Surely this is misuse of inside information.
7) If the major off-course firms have, as they claim, been caught on the hop by these changes, will they be postponing their implementation indefinitely and looking for a more balanced solution instead?
All good points Glenn, it would be interesting if you could get some sort of answers .. problem is I don’t know who you would ask. The RP won’t be interested.
Good points raised there Glenn. These are the type of questions the Racing Post should be asking the industry, instead of the shambles that appeared earlier this week.
looks like the Rule 4 changes may not go through as the bookies know it will drive away punters. Surely the man behind this should now resign?
I don’t think it will drive away punters
because rule 4’s are seen as the exception
and they are cussed at as such
but it certainly raises hackles
enough to tear the race card
into four rather than two.A few punters left the pubs
and gathered about
in a small grey room in Victoria,
it was a start I suppose,
as the president coughed drily
to start the meeting.
It finished at half pissed nine
and a few heads followed each other
into Tiles wine bar
but their race never finishedRichard Hoiles looked, this morning on channel fours Morning Line , to have given the matter plenty of thought AND he came up with what appeared to be a workable soloution.
simple, use betfairs rule 4, they are the new kids on the block, with all the new technology, as it says on the tin , BET FAIR,
must be right.
simple, use betfairs rule 4, they are the new kids on the block, with all the new technology, as it says on the tin , BET FAIR,
must be right.
Good idea Barry. Give me a bell when you start using100% books and I’ll come and take residence in your shop.
Seconded re: Richard Hoiles very good piece this morning on The Morning Line.
I was however a little disappointed by Tanya & Nick, the former calling Richard "Einstein" after he had finished, and the later asking the audience to "brace themselves" beforehand (or words to that effect). Those comments were almost certainly tongue-in-cheek, but given that it’s punters taking those sorts of attitudes genuinely that leads to them being exploited by the bookmakers the media would do well not to encourage these thought patterns (or ‘lack of thought’ patterns as the case may be) in any form.You need to be stupid or mad to bet with bookmakers now. Let them steal money from the mugs by continually moving the goalposts.
Agree Friggo, but that’s what puts Richard Hoiles head and shoulders above the majority of his peers.
It seems the off course firms are seeing some sense on the issue. How anyone could take a morning price on a 16-18 runner handicap these days is beyond me.
so have a read through Betfair rules on non runners and withdrawn horses and it clearly shows they are as fair as they can be to both backer and layer.- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.