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Quote: from cormack15 on 10:40 pm on Feb. 25, 2007[br]No one’s told me why the jockeys need whips yet.<br>
Corm<br>So the best horse wins….as they often wouldn’t without being persuaded too.
Quote: from reet hard on 1:15 am on Feb. 26, 2007[br]So the best horse wins….as they often wouldn’t without being persuaded too.
Maybe they’re not the best then, if they need whipping!
FSL – if a horse doesn’t fancy going another circuit or jumping a fence, then why should it be forced to?
I am sorry Flat Season……whoops Flatseasonlover………..FSL….lol
I am not here to upset, far from it, all I intended to do was to state facts, if that has been taken as aggressive then I apologise, also if my english is not up to university level I apologise for that as well.
In racing you will find many people who thru their many years of involvement ,have very strong ideas about things the detest, more often bought about by bad experiences  either seen or gained through working in racing, and this is one I have always felt strongly about.<br>When all the dust settles, punters have gone home, either moaning about trainers, jockeys and owners, 9 times out of 10 they are talking through their pockets.<br>When the lad or lass taking the love of their life home, yes i mean the horse, all you care about is its welfare, good run or bad, and to see any horse abused is just totally and utterly wrong.
I Have spent many a night applying liniment to wheal marks, and although I agree whips are better through more pading, whips are there, as you said in your own response, there for encouragement and direction not for abuse
I have tried hard to explain why I feel strongly, I hope now that maybe more here  might understand my stand on this issue
I repeat I was not intentionally meaning to upset, just laying down my thoughts
Can’t believe this thread has gone 3 pages. Jockeys that don’t try hard enough remains far higher on my list of concerns than those that try too hard.
Agree absolutely with David Johnson. No explanation needed I would have thought, Wayward Lad (a horse I really liked by the way).
Flippin eck Wayward Lad, you’re more aggressive than Ruby was on Natal ;)
The use of the whip is very well controlled here now with sufficient penalties for those that break the rules unlike the disgraceful situation in America or to a lesser extent in Ireland.
Quote: from Wayward Lad on 10:22 am on Feb. 26, 2007[br]I am sorry Flat Season……whoops Flatseasonlover………..FSL….lol
I am not here to upset, far from it, all I intended to do was to state facts, if that has been taken as aggressive then I apologise, also if my english is not up to university level I apologise for that as well.
In racing you will find many people who thru their many years of involvement ,have very strong ideas about things the detest, more often bought about by bad experiences  either seen or gained through working in racing, and this is one I have always felt strongly about.<br>When all the dust settles, punters have gone home, either moaning about trainers, jockeys and owners, 9 times out of 10 they are talking through their pockets.<br>When the lad or lass taking the love of their life home, yes i mean the horse, all you care about is its welfare, good run or bad, and to see any horse abused is just totally and utterly wrong.
I Have spent many a night applying liniment to wheal marks, and although I agree whips are better through more pading, whips are there, as you said in your own response, there for encouragement and direction not for abuse
I have tried hard to explain why I feel strongly, I hope now that maybe more here  might understand my stand on this issue
I repeat I was not intentionally meaning to upset, just laying down my thoughts
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I am clearly not the brightest bulb in the box but am still contemplating whether this post was deliberately patronising or whether it is your bad command of the English language that has made it come across that way?
Personally I don’t see what all the furore is about.. And I would agree with Dj, there are more pertinent issues in the Sport I think its important to remember thats what it is.. If your interested in animal welfare to that extent work for the RSPCA, not in a racing stable.
I appreciate this isn’t the most sympathetic of views, but we don’t eat horses, race horses probably have a higher standard of living than any other animal on the planet and they’re asked to run probably 5-10 times a year.. It’s hardly that cruel. We massacre pigs, cows, sheep, chickens etc etc every day to feed ourselves.. Is that cruel?
Corm, to use an analogy, football managers berate their players from the touchline through the vehicle of language. How else can we get a message through to a horse? Certainly not by talking to them, so if we want a competitive sport there have to be means by which to ensure it is competitive. An animal the size and strength of a racehorse needs a bit more than just hands and heels to make its mind up in most instances. Thats my view anyway.
What else was Walsh to do it’s his job to win the race he overstepped the mark slightly by using the whip a bit too much if u had backed the horse and walsh hadn’t have used the whip and ended up finishing second there would have been complaints that he didn’t try hard enough.
To be fair i enjoyed your repost and very well written wish i could be so articulate…..but i said ridden over 500 times not winners ……………god i wish i had……..but i do apreciate your comments
the only thing i would take task with is that I am talking about a specific ride not all rides, I think this is being misunderstood by many people
thanks Grasshopper
Quote from GrassH –
"If the answer to that is ‘No whip at all’, then the next we will hear is that "fences are cruel", "hurdles are cruel", "2yo racing is cruel (rather than just sh*ite)", "training regimes are cruel", until, finally, someone says "The sport of horse-racing is cruel"."
I accept that there are certain risks to which horses are exposed to in the pursuit of our human enjoyment of the ‘sport’ we love. That is the moral bargain we all make when following the sport. We have to accept the moral argument that the suffering of the horses which are injured or even killed while training/racing is outweighed by the enjoyment us humans get from the sport.<br>However, I really don’t see how taking the whip away would diminish the enjoyment we get from the sport. The pluses from such a move far outweight the negatives IMO.
FSL – <br>To stop a horse running out and ensure it follows the direction of the course. Isn’t that what the reins are for – steering.
<br>To encourage a horse not to stop and to keep going when it doesn’t fancy another circuit. No whips then horses who want to stop are either kept going hands and heels or stop. So what?
<br>To encourage a horse to jump a fence that it may not fancy jumping. Does it really help a horse approaching a fence to crack it with the whip? Isn’t that just as likely to force an error?
<br>To make the horse pass another horse that it is quite capable of passing but doesn’t want to. Do we really want to be rewarding horses (and breeding from horses) who are reluctant to pass others.
<br>To keep the horse going until the winning post (though obviously how many taps should be allowed is up for debate) The horse will still keep going without the whip – perhaps slower but it will be a level playing field for all. The one that keeps going fast enough will win.
<br>The whip can also be flashed at it to cajole it to go faster without actually being used. Ok – let them carry purple silk bandanas to wave at the horse. (lol) . Sorry – previous point applies equally here.
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