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" Does a whip make a horse go faster………has anyone ever chased you with a cane or a stick when you were a kid and smacked you on the ass with it…….doesn’t take much working out does it?
Of course it makes a horse go faster if it is possible he can."—-
Not sure to whom that nonsense was directed, but may I ask if the idea above applies to greyhounds too?
" Does a whip make a horse go faster………has anyone ever chased you with a cane or a stick when you were a kid and smacked you on the ass with it…….doesn’t take much working out does it?
Of course it makes a horse go faster if it is possible he can."—-
Not sure to whom that nonsense was directed, but may I ask if the idea above applies to greyhounds too?
Sean,
You will just need to jockeys able to do the weight. With this and previous posts you have shown your inability to read and interpret information.
JohnJ
" ………has anyone ever chased you with a cane or a stick when you were a kid and smacked you on the ass with it…….doesn’t take much working out does it? "
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Erm, who said anything about jockeys here? Your man is surely talking about the " fear factor" where the quarry runs away faster because it is frightened by the pursuer.
I suppose what he’s trying to say is that the horse moves away from the source of pain or hurt. This seems fair enough, but for better efficiency wouldn’t a proper cosh do the job better?
With cattle, often the mere sound of the crack of a whip is enough to frighten the beasts forward. I think this works with horses too – to an extent.
What we need to establish is whether the horse is moved more by actual pain or by fear of pain that is associated with a certain noise.
I really dont see the point of this thread. There are rules in place to cover to abuse of the whip. Jockeys do need a whip – both for correcting the running path of a horse, and also for additional encouragement of a clever / lazy type. Should a jockey abuse the use of the device he should get banned….
I really dont see the point of this thread. There are rules in place to cover to abuse of the whip. Jockeys do need a whip – both for correcting the running path of a horse, and also for additional encouragement of a clever / lazy type. Should a jockey abuse the use of the device he should get banned….
That is far too sensible for this forum underscore
" ………has anyone ever chased you with a cane or a stick when you were a kid and smacked you on the ass with it…….doesn’t take much working out does it? "
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Erm, who said anything about jockeys here? Your man is surely talking about the " fear factor" where the quarry runs away faster because it is frightened by the pursuer.
I suppose what he’s trying to say is that the horse moves away from the source of pain or hurt. This seems fair enough, but for better efficiency wouldn’t a proper cosh do the job better?
With cattle, often the mere sound of the crack of a whip is enough to frighten the beasts forward. I think this works with horses too – to an extent.
What we need to establish is whether the horse is moved more by actual pain or by fear of pain that is associated with a certain noise.
Sean,
Waht you need to do is lash off to a few stables and interview a few horses, I would be quite interested in your survey and how the horses respond to your noises.
Post of the month underscore.
JohnJ.
Seems more like assumption than proven fact, lads.
I will do better asking jockeys , I’m sure.
Few on here seem to understand the issue, but I don’t suppose anyone is surprised by that.
See you at Cheltenham next year!
" ………has anyone ever chased you with a cane or a stick when you were a kid and smacked you on the ass with it…….doesn’t take much working out does it? "
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Erm, who said anything about jockeys here? Your man is surely talking about the " fear factor" where the quarry runs away faster because it is frightened by the pursuer.
I suppose what he’s trying to say is that the horse moves away from the source of pain or hurt. This seems fair enough, but for better efficiency wouldn’t a proper cosh do the job better?
With cattle, often the mere sound of the crack of a whip is enough to frighten the beasts forward. I think this works with horses too – to an extent.
What we need to establish is whether the horse is moved more by actual pain or by fear of pain that is associated with a certain noise.
Fists, couldn’t it be said that the horse wouldn’t have gone left in the first place if Spencer hadn’t given him those couple of slaps.
Colin
" Does a whip make a horse go faster………has anyone ever chased you with a cane or a stick when you were a kid and smacked you on the ass with it…….doesn’t take much working out does it?
Of course it makes a horse go faster if it is possible he can."—-
Not sure to whom that nonsense was directed, but may I ask if the idea above applies to greyhounds too?
You’re just being a complete ass mate…….1st of greyhound are chasing what they think is food and is totaaly different.
Your question was does a horse go faster for a whip…….I simply gave you a comparison cos you’re that dumb you had to ask the question in the first place………..as I said or inlied a school dunce could work it out………..go and watch Spacious and Jamie Spencer in the May Hill at Donny on U-Tube that is exactly how the whip should be used and why they have it.
The horse quickens for him and when he get’s nearer the finish he gives him a couple of slaps to get him really going……..the horse is drifting of a straight line (not running away from the whip which he has in his right hand)…….he’s riding at speed and no way could he try and straighten him withought the use of the whip and win the race……….he simply waves it past the horse head to let him see it and the house run slightly away from it and straightens himself out…….I’m not saying he would have run the other two through the rails….but with a bit further to go and without using the whip for correctional purposes he could have been disqualified e.g. or have caused an accident.
This is what armchair punters forget (don’t mean you I have no idea what your personal experinces are) Jockeys have to make split second decisions especially on the flat and need ever weapon in their armoury to ensure their own and others safety……..plus Jamie Spencer never hit the horse for any other reason than to get him to quicken…. it had the desired affect……when he waved it past the horses head it had the affect of correcting him……….that’s the fear factor…horse moves away from the whip just enough to straighten him up
Hope that answers you question about whether the whip makes a horse go faster as not aand why it is a neccessary tool.
If it does not then I wish you luck with your soap box and how banning the whip could be good for racing……you won’t be the first person to bring this up………..been going on since 1763 and they were all told the same thing but in a nice way……..was along the lines of F-Off you don’t have a clue what your talking about
Hmmm,
I was just thinking the same about your good self, Fist Fantasy! ( your last line, that is)
I realised after your first post that you cannot help, but my final point on this thread is that I haven’t said anything about a whip ban, so I guess you’re getting a bit muddled again.
Missed you at Cheltenham this year; where were you? It looks like you done your bollix with both Kauto and Binocular getting stuffed.
Better luck next year, mate!
Fists, couldn’t it be said that the horse wouldn’t have gone left in the first place if Spencer hadn’t given him those couple of slaps.
Colin
It would if he had his whip in his left hand Colin but it was in his right hand
Hmmm,
I was just thinking the same about your good self, Fist Fantasy! ( your last line, that is)
I realised after your first post that you cannot help, but my final point on this thread is that I haven’t said anything about a whip ban, so I guess you’re getting a bit muddled again.
Missed you at Cheltenham this year; where were you? It looks like you done your bollix with both Kauto and Binocular getting stuffed.
Better luck next year, mate!
no idea what you are talking about…..I was too busy counting the cash mate
…….I think if you look back all my bets you will see I backed Binoucular Ew twice……..I bet Kauto in a double and two singles and my main bet was covered when he won the King George…..apart from that I bet Kalahari King EW Noland ew and Tidal Bay ew at 16/1 and 12/1 Katchit at 12/1. New Alco ew at 20/1 also I had bets on Albertas Run and Crack Away Jack………..and I had my biggest bet in years on Binocular at Acscot and stuck the whole lot on Master Minded………….Oh I did have a loser Sizing Europe who I backed Ew at 12/1 before you new he was running in the race…didn’t have abet on the Thursday..BTW how did you do?AS someone rightly said you have trouble reading and taking in information or you are just a little piglet out to wind people up…people eat bacon for breakfast mate I would take care if I was you.
Thing is I don’t give a rats ass because I very seldom get it wrong mate……..which leaves people like you no bullets to fire…like the blanks you just fired which now make you look like someone suffering from a bad dose of sour grapes
……all of the above are within my posts please feel free to find any after timing among them ………you won’t of course…….getting back to the whip thing……very played out thread if ever there was one……no reason to continue IMVHO of course…….see you back in the same world Sean. Cheltenham 2008 is over………get on Kauto at 5/1 with Cashmans now……..take some advice for once in your life….he won’t be beat next year……Rubys taking two whips with him " It would if he had his whip in his left hand Colin but it was in his right hand "
Horses have been known to hang into the whip, Fists.
But, of course, you would know that, wouldn’t you?!
Colin
The was a couple like that I remember Colin.
Both were fillies one was called Spanking Lilly and the other one was Winnie the Whipper………..they both died of unatural causes
" my final point on this thread is that I haven’t said anything about a whip ban,"
Wed, March 26.
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