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During the EU referendum we spoke to some Conservative Party members and they said the problem with their party was that it was just led by journalists. That ultimately led to the party almost destroying itself. I’m so angry that, during the past week a highly skilled Pakistani friend of mine who probably pays more in tax in one month than most people pay in a year has had a white van man shout ‘go back to where you came from’ and a white mother who had young children with her shouted ‘Paki’ at him in the street ( he had his young child with him at the time). What has this country come to? Can anyone imagine having comments like that aimed at them?
People have to blame and they’ll blame the easy target , the only way it’ll stop is it they are challenged
“I am NOT defending rioting, affray etc but some of the sentences look harsh. Two years for pushing a bin towards some coppers? It wasn’t clever or pleasant but it was hardly endangering life”
I’ve just read that the woman pushing the bin called a police officer something like a ‘f*****g black ****”. Maybe that was another reason for such a long sentence?It is obviously not something that should be said but two years is still excessive.
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Starmer saying previously that he wants to cut prison time isn’t a help. It actually gives criminals a better reward to risk thought process
I’m pleased he is making a stance on the riots but don’t think he done himself any favours with the previous statementCharles Darwin to conquer the World
Two years who’s cares these people set out to interrupt and endanger the lives of normal people and I don’t care who or what encouraged them. It isn’t long enough in my opinion.
The more I know the less I understand.
Nathan the Tories have left the country under policed and with to few jail cells , they’ll have to do something short term however banging up these idiots was a priority therefore it’s been done to stop the riots , what more could be have done ?, just remember this is a Tory cut he’s stiching up ….there’s going to be a lot of this for the next few years
Precisely. The prison system needs reforming in every way ( remember the failed probation service privatisation that the last government brought in?). The rioters probably thought that, with the prisons full they wouldn’t be punished and to not give them severe sentences would have set a dangerous precedent. Many people (including Rory Stewart) believe that there are many minor crimes that people shouldn’t go to prison for as all that happens is they learn to be criminals, probably get hooked on drugs and end up in an endless cycle of crime and imprisonment. Keir was chief prosecutor at the time of the 2011 riots and, thankfully, knew exactly how to deal with this one, helped by the fact that he has a good working relationship with the (also understaffed and underfunded) police.
Let us wait and see what sort of sentence the main criminal in all this receives. Although given the media management of the situation since it happened (“boy”, “autistic”, “nice family”, “churchgoers,”, “too shy to go out”), I suspect we are already being softened up for the mental health case, as with the Nottingham killer (who wasn’t even convicted of murder).
Then we will all be expected to sing a chorus of “Don’t Look Back In Anger”, shrug our shoulders and forget about it.
Are you using the horrific murder of those girls as a way of criticising the unfair sentencing of the people imprisoned for rioting? Are you attempting to justify what they did? Because if you are that’s disgusting.
No, I have made it quite clear that rioting and affray is wrong. I could not have been clearer about that.
The issue here is with the length of sentencing. Two years for shouting at a policeman? A judge in Belfast even suggested people will be charged if they were merely in the presence of a riot.
It looks to me as if the authorities have sought “to make an example” of these people. But that is not justice. Each case should be considered on its merits and without prejudice. There is a reason why the statue of justice is depicted blindfolded.
As for the suspect in the killing of the three girls, assuming he is found guilty, I don’t believe the public will be satisfied if he receives a conviction less than murder and a lengthy sentence.
But I do find it rather ironic when left wing activists were calling for the police to be defunded during riots four years ago but are now cheering on the same police who are arresting people for offences such as “shouting at a policeman” and gleefully welcoming such offences being punished by over two years in prison.
I think you’ll find it was Theresa May when she was Home Secretary who defunded the police.
No doubt it was. Britain has been misgoverned for decades.
But defunding the police was the rallying call of the BLM riots, something which caused deaths, destruction and a huge amount of criminal damage (to a larger extent in America than here). Starmer’s response to that was to kneel down.
“It really just emphasises what surely should have been obvious that some/several/many of the rioters were not ideologically driven ‘far-right thugs’ but just weak-willed unfortunates with ‘issues’”.
And that really is the point. Do these individuals really deserve such punishment? Watching the clip, the person most in danger from the wheelie bin woman was herself, when she comically fell flat on her face.
I can’t help feeling that in an atmosphere where emotions were running less high, she would have been told to go home and stop being so bloody stupid.
In an attempt to put the sentences handed-down in context I’ve had a look through the Public Order Act 1986 which deals with public disorder offences
They are, in order of seriousness:
Section 1 – Riot – maximum sentence 10 years
Section 2 – Violent disorder – max 5 years
Section 3 – Affray – max 3 years
Section 4 – Fear or provocation of violence – max 6 months
Section 4A – Intentional harassment, alarm or distress – max 6 months
Section 5 – Harassment, alarm or distress – max a fineSimplified, full details can be found at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Order_Act_1986So it would seem that the sentences given thus far, which I believe fall under Sections 1-3, are not – in law – excessive
I don’t think anyone is disputing sentences over assault or criminal damage. But the sentences for some of the other issues look severe.
There is a wider context to consider as well. A huge amount of “petty crime” (which is actually not petty if you are a victim of it) goes unpunished.
Knew the would be trouble when Starmer was heckled when he visited to pay his respects to the murdered children. Reminder of what I thought back in July.
Axel Rudakubana has pleaded guilty to murdering though three children from Southport and has to serve a minimum of 52 years. He be 70 when he’s eligible for parole.
The is a call from the Tory party to amend the law to give under 18’s a full life sentence.
The other issue in this thread is the incident at Manchester Airport, the officers attending have been cleared of any wrong doing. The culprits all come from towns near where I live and I’m not surprised.
You've got to accentuate the positive.
Eliminate the negative.
Latch on to the affirmative.
Don't mess with mister in between.
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