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Radio 4 12:00 – 13:00 17/04/2012

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  • #21545
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    The BBC Radio 4 programme "You & Yours" has a "call-in" every Tuesday.

    The programme tomorrow is dedicated to making Racing safer!

    You can get your chance to voice your opinion for the programme at the following:- http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/features/yo … ontact-us/

    Regards
    :cool:

    #401114
    itsawar
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    did anyone get on the show?

    #401150
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    It is today.

    They are going to have a specialist guest today.

    This show is highly listened to on Radio 4.

    #401179
    yeats
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    Good to hear the first caller Pinza, if he can be heard freely on the BBC You & Yours surely he should be welcomed back on here?

    The bloke from the RSPCA (Gavin Grant) sounded more like Animal Aid.

    #401195
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    will it be available for replay, missed it.

    #401197
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    The bloke from the RSPCA (Gavin Grant) sounded more like Animal Aid.

    I don’t think he sounded too bad to be honest. Much closer to Pitman than Mr Animal Aid.

    On the other hand, I was disappointed to hear Richard Pitman completely bury his head in the sand with respects to the overproduction of racehorses.

    #401203
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    The bloke from the RSPCA (Gavin Grant) sounded more like Animal Aid.

    I don’t think he sounded too bad to be honest. Much closer to Pitman than Mr Animal Aid.

    On the other hand, I was disappointed to hear Richard Pitman completely bury his head in the sand with respects to the overproduction of racehorses.

    I see others elsewhere shared my opinion of the RSPCA guy, what about his blatant lie that Jacob broke the whip rules in the National?
    It’s questionable whether an organisation like Animal Aid should have been on the show in the first place but Pitman did pull one good fact out of his hat, not one prosecution from the RSPCA last year involved a racehorse.

    #401204
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    The bloke from the RSPCA (Gavin Grant) sounded more like Animal Aid.

    Mr Grant’s particularly genius utterance of the last few days (apart from a couple of the-fences-are-basically-dressed-walls mistruths) has been to suggest Bechers Brook shouldn’t be modified again, but rather removed completely.

    So that’d be what, a stretch of flat of at least two, possibly three furlongs between fence five and Foinavon, during which the competitors could (i) potentially pick up more speed and / or (ii) bunch to the inner rail to go the shortest way round the bend to Foinavon more than they otherwise might?

    No cigar.

    gc

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    #401233
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    The bloke from the RSPCA (Gavin Grant) sounded more like Animal Aid.

    I don’t think he sounded too bad to be honest. Much closer to Pitman than Mr Animal Aid.

    On the other hand, I was disappointed to hear Richard Pitman completely bury his head in the sand with respects to the overproduction of racehorses.

    I see others elsewhere shared my opinion of the RSPCA guy, what about his blatant lie that Jacob broke the whip rules in the National?
    It’s questionable whether an organisation like Animal Aid should have been on the show in the first place but Pitman did pull one good fact out of his hat, not one prosecution from the RSPCA last year involved a racehorse.

    I thought Gavin Grant from RSPCA was ok to be honest and he did make some valid points. It wasn’t a blatent lie about Jacob breaking the whip rules. As we have already established on another thread and, following Cormack’s email to the BHA, he did break them but the stewards decided to excercise discretion.

    Animal Aid had a perfectly legitimate right to be on the programme. The programme was about safety in racing and as AA are against racing because of safety they have as much right to have their say as anyone else. You, me and others may not agree with them but that doesn’t diminish their right to their views and to be able to air them. Unless of course you only think people who share your view should be on the show. This is a democracy and we allow free speech.

    #401243
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    I thought Gavin Grant from RSPCA was ok to be honest and he did make some valid points. It wasn’t a blatent lie about Jacob breaking the whip rules. As we have already established on another thread and, following Cormack’s email to the BHA, he did break them but the stewards decided to excercise discretion.

    Animal Aid had a perfectly legitimate right to be on the programme. The programme was about safety in racing and as AA are against racing because of safety they have as much right to have their say as anyone else. You, me and others may not agree with them but that doesn’t diminish their right to their views and to be able to air them. Unless of course you only think people who share your view should be on the show. This is a democracy and we allow free speech.

    Jacob did not break any rules, discretion is part of the rules, so it was an incorrect statement.
    I noticed Grant immediately jumped on Pitman when he said there had been no prosecutions involving racehorses "But we’ve done some involving horses" as though it had some relevance.

    It would have been sufficient just to have the RSPCA on, Animal Aid have well known terrorist links and don’t deserve a place at the table.

    #401246
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    "Unless the BHA really respond here . . . I think the days of NH racing and the Grand National are numbered" Gavin Grant, RSPCA chief exec.

    Mr Grant was appointed Chief Exec in January. He seems tough, determined and a good communicator. As I’ve said umpteen times before on here (I await the latest flurry of brickbats), it would be utter folly for racing to risk making an enemy of the RSPCA.

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    #401249
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    It would have been sufficient just to have the RSPCA on

    The RSPCA have very close ties with horse racing so it could be feasibly argued that there would be a conflict of interests and as such, wouldn’t be guaranteed to offer a well rounded discussion. Animal Aid have no ties to horse racing and as they hold a firmly antithetical position, have every right to share a table in this particular debate.

    Animal Aid have well known terrorist links and don’t deserve a place at the table.

    There are plenty of people within the sport itself with very unsavoury links. This is even before we get into the semantics of what constitutes "terrorism" or what constitutes a "link".

    #401250
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    *duplicate*

    #401251
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    Just what are the well-known acts of terrorism that Animal Aid have been responsible for?

    Quite recently they had the temerity to expose the activities on a pig farm that included the animals being beaten to death with an iron bar. If you deny their right to an opinion, just because you do not agree with it, then you are ultimately worse than you think they are.

    #401257
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    Jacob hit the horse 11 times but the stewards decided toi discount 3 of them. On another day, at another place the stewards may have taken action and it seemed that that was what Gavin Grant was alluding too as his comment was breaking ‘the spirit of the rules’. So hardly a blatent lie. I would also love to know what these terrorist links are. Animal Aid hold a totaly different position on racing from the RSPCA, who, incidently, do not say racing or the National should be banned. So therefore have a perfect right to be involved in the debate.

    On the issue of the RSPCA steeplechasing is correct. We cannot distance ourselves from the RSPCA and must work with them. If not, the National, and eventually, jump racing will be finished as we know it. Public opinion is very fickle on these matters and we need to keep the general public on our side. Public opinion changes and we must change with it. We might not like it but that’s life. If the National has to change then so be it. We cannot bury our heads in the sand and tell them to get stuffed. Don’t forget it’s not only the general public who have no interest in racing who feel changes have to be made and things are no longer acceptable. Many supporters of racing are also feeling very uneasy about things.

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