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I have vague memories of the Propunter software .. if anyone can remember the input data I’ll have a bash at making up an excel calculator for a bit of fun.
I have vague memories of the Propunter software .. if anyone can remember the input data I’ll have a bash at making up an excel calculator for a bit of fun.
This could be good if anybody can remember it.
Sounds good to me Dave.
Does anyone know if there any of these ‘systems’ planned for a re-release on the iphone?
A mate of mine develops apps and we were only talking about this during a day at chester races on Sat
I used to have Pro-Punter circa 1988 version.
I never found it much good and the input was overly complicated and tedious. (The investment advices were next to useless.)
As it was written in BASIC it was quite easy to see what was going on (not much really).
It was divided into 7 separate modules, though I cannot remember what they all were.
Recent form – Last three outings, paying particular attention to the last one.
Trainer and jockey statistics
Winning form
Collateral form – if the horse had met against any others in the race.
Speed/Weight ratings
So what did it do with all this input.
You had to type in the name of the trainers and jockeys so the computer could then print their name on the screen and ask what their strike rate was, daft or what.
It took the weight and speed ratings at face value and ranked them, the same with the trainer/jockey strike rate.
Typing in all the winning form, which could amount to a lot in a NH race was just to find out if the horse acted on the course,distance, going.
Typing in the collateral form was ignored unless the horses had met in similar circumstances.
In other sections points were awarded for the input. Then in each section the horses were ranked in order, the best horse was ranked 1. It then added all the rankings up for each horse.
Each horse was given a rating of 157 minus the rankings, so a horse that came first in everything would get 157-7=150, the maximum rating.
It’s not hard to see that if there was a two horse race consisting of the Derby winner and another horse and the Derby winner was ranked first in every section then the the ratings would be 150 & 143 regardless of whether the second rated horse was also a Group horse or a lowly handicapper.
Ok .. so there are seven categories ..
1 = Last 3 runs
2 = Last run
3 = Trainer strike rank in race
4 = Jockey strike rank in race
5 = Speed rating rank
6 = Form rating rank.. I’m not sure what the seventh one is, we could use something else. Didn’t you have to put in the forecast prices??
.. the maths is
157 – (sum of all of the ranks) = rating
.. then create a 100% book from the final score .. ?
Hi Dave
As far as I can remember as it is some 15 years since I looked at it on the Amstrad 6128.
1)
Recent form
– Last three outings but concentrating on the last race in particular, weight carried, position finished, prize to winner etc plus additional info such as whether this race was a chase and the previous a hurdle or the other way around, whether the trainer won the race last year.
2)
Trainer and jockey stats
– If I remember correctly you entered the strike rate of the top twenty jockeys and trainers and then when you entered the jockey and trainers name for each horse it would see if it could match them up.
It would just be easier to enter the strike rate of the trainer/ jockey as you come to them, without typing all the names in
3)
Winning form
– Here you entered the details of all the horses past wins, Course, distance & going. There could be over twenty if a horse was a prolific chase winner. The whole point to all this was to see if the horse would act on the course, distance and going.
It would just be easier to look at Postdata or Turftrax for this info
4)
Collateral form
– Her you had to type in all the details of any races where horses had met before. If the race distances were different the program used to ignore this info.
I used to not bother with this part
5)
Weight/Form ratings
– The progam would take any jockeys claim, divide by two and add to the rating before ranking them in order.
6)
Speed ratings
– The same as weight ratings.
7)
The missing link
– This may have been a class rating based on prize money won/ raced for as I remember having to type this info in and none of the other modules use this.
You are right about entering the forecast price, but this was not used in the analysis but was to see if any horses were over priced and worth a bet.
.. the maths is
157 – (sum of all of the ranks) = rating
.. then create a 100% book from the final score .. ?
That is correct.
In a thread from March 2007 I wrote this
Pro-Punter is available free at the moment. It does not seem any different to the old DOS version I had except it has a Windows interface. Tried it on an eight runner race . After inputting data for what seemed like half an hour and only being halfway through I gave up. Just as tedious as it always was.
Pity I did not put the link in. I can no longer find it but that is likely because DGA no longer sell Pro-Punter.
I did find this to download a ROM for the Amiga from 1992. All I need now is an Amiga emulator. http://roms.zophar.net/commodore-amiga/ … ga-wb-.adf
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Though the software is no longer available the ratings generated by the software are, at a price. Looking at their published results for the first three months of this year they are not very good considering the time and effort needed if using the software yourself. http://www.pro-punter.com/
Thanks for that Dolus .. I’ll have a think about how to score those categories.
I’m going to use the sportinglife website for the data because the racing post now charges you money to look at it and not everybody takes racing that seriously.
With the time thing in mind I think it might be better to put something together that gives a yes/no .. or highest/lowest scoring so you can just type it in and print off the race.
Thanks for that Dolus .. I’ll have a think about how to score those categories.
I’m going to use the sportinglife website for the data because the racing post now charges you money to look at it and not everybody takes racing that seriously.
With the time thing in mind I think it might be better to put something together that gives a yes/no .. or highest/lowest scoring so you can just type it in and print off the race.
Looking forward to using it.
Thanks
Dolus .. so how about this .. my comments in
bold
1) Recent form – Last three outings but concentrating on the last race in particular, weight carried, position finished, prize to winner etc plus additional info such as whether this race was a chase and the previous a hurdle or the other way around, whether the trainer won the race last year.
Patternform .. combined ran to figure for past performance.
2) Trainer and jockey stats – If I remember correctly you entered the strike rate of the top twenty jockeys and trainers and then when you entered the jockey and trainers name for each horse it would see if it could match them up. It would just be easier to enter the strike rate of the trainer/ jockey as you come to them, without typing all the names in
Sportinglife .. Jockey &Trainer overall strike rate (counts as two categories)
3) Winning form – Here you entered the details of all the horses past wins, Course, distance & going. There could be over twenty if a horse was a prolific chase winner. The whole point to all this was to see if the horse would act on the course, distance and going. It would just be easier to look at Postdata or Turftrax for this info
Sportinglife .. horse strike rate
4) Collateral form- Her you had to type in all the details of any races where horses had met before. If the race distances were different the program used to ignore this info. I used to not bother with this part
Ignore
5) Weight/Form ratings – The progam would take any jockeys claim, divide by two and add to the rating before ranking them in order.
Patternform – filter for last run, ran to and add adjustment for claim.
6) Speed ratings – The same as weight ratings.
Patternform – speed, filter for distance +/- 1f for flat and 3f for NH
7) The missing link – This may have been a class rating based on prize money won/ raced for as I remember having to type this info in and none of the other modules use this.
.. a missing link is a missing link, we can blame this if it doesn’t work ..
… that’s six,
For seven
Days since last run
.. what do you reckon??
Dolus .. so how about this .. my comments in
bold
1) Recent form – Last three outings but concentrating on the last race in particular, weight carried, position finished, prize to winner etc plus additional info such as whether this race was a chase and the previous a hurdle or the other way around, whether the trainer won the race last year.
Patternform .. combined ran to figure for past performance.
I have never ever looked at Patternform until now. Might as well let someone else do the hard work. The alternative would be to add points for last finishing positions etc[/color:z25h6zqj]
2) Trainer and jockey stats – If I remember correctly you entered the strike rate of the top twenty jockeys and trainers and then when you entered the jockey and trainers name for each horse it would see if it could match them up. It would just be easier to enter the strike rate of the trainer/ jockey as you come to them, without typing all the names in
Sportinglife .. Jockey &Trainer overall strike rate (counts as two categories)
I am pretty sure that is what Pro-Punter did combine the two strike rates before ranking them[/color:z25h6zqj]
3) Winning form – Here you entered the details of all the horses past wins, Course, distance & going. There could be over twenty if a horse was a prolific chase winner. The whole point to all this was to see if the horse would act on the course, distance and going. It would just be easier to look at Postdata or Turftrax for this info
Sportinglife .. horse strike rate
As this section was to find out if the horse was suited to the conditions then entering whether the the horse was a COURSE, DISTANCE winner from the race card, or use Turftrax which ticks boxes for COURSE, DISTANCE, GOING, accessible from the Patternform page[/color:z25h6zqj]
4) Collateral form- Her you had to type in all the details of any races where horses had met before. If the race distances were different the program used to ignore this info. I used to not bother with this part
Ignore
Yes[/color:z25h6zqj]
5) Weight/Form ratings – The progam would take any jockeys claim, divide by two and add to the rating before ranking them in order.
Patternform – filter for last run, ran to and add adjustment for claim.
An alternative choice for speed weight ratings http://www.racingoracle.net/ need to register but is free[/color:z25h6zqj]
6) Speed ratings – The same as weight ratings.
Patternform – speed, filter for distance +/- 1f for flat and 3f for NH
As above[/color:z25h6zqj]
7) The missing link – This may have been a class rating based on prize money won/ raced for as I remember having to type this info in and none of the other modules use this.
.. a missing link is a missing link, we can blame this if it doesn’t work ..
… that’s six,
For seven
Days since last run
I am pretty sure that days since was part of the first module used in relation to it last run
I can see that you are trying to keep the input to the least number of web sites needed to be visited. If you use your original ideas and ignore jockeys and trainers then as the horse strike rate is available on the Patternform page then this is the only site you would need to use. As the end result will be completely different to Pro-Punter then it could be treated as a completely new project. The only danger I can see to using data exclusive to Patternform is ending up with the same top rated horse each time.[/color:z25h6zqj]
I can remenmber you had to type in whether a horse has placed on the going prevalent today also.
There was a races won into prizemoney class rating as well-you have mentioned that.
The whole thing was done with VDW in mind as I have spoke to the author a good few times.
The early versions ARE NOT THE SAME ASS THE LATER PC VERSIONS.. right-yo, I’ll knock something up over the weekend.
. we may not lose as much as the racing post mugs, but destiny is in our own hands and we’re not mercy to mug tipsters and pishy ratings.
The early versions ARE NOT THE SAME ASS
A brilliant unintentional typo
Lol.Never seen that.
.. right-yo, I’ll knock something up over the weekend.
. we may not lose as much as the racing post mugs, but destiny is in our own hands and we’re not mercy to mug tipsters and pishy ratings.
Any joy yet with software.
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Whether any of you guys are interested I tripped accross this site offering free horse racing software.
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