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Well chaps this is interesting. I’ve never used this column to try to flog our products but I will have to mention them in the light of this discussion. We have been producing a computerised form book, The Sportsbook, for some twenty years now. We were the first into the market and, I am happy to say, are still going strong all these years later.
When other competition inevitably came about (Raceform, Timeform etc) we always felt that these big companies thought there was millions to be made. There wasn’t. The number of punters dedicated and analytical enough to want to subscribe to a service such as ours is surprisingly small.
Now we don’t sell any ‘prediction’ software as such, ours is a full-blown form book so we’re not in the business of telling anyone what to back. However, I would be surprised if anyone has done more research into the field of prediction software than myself and I am finally at the conclusion that such software is doomed to fail. There are simply too many variables (and indeed variables of variables if you see what I mean!) in every race to allow for successful analysis by rigid parameters.
This explains the lack of prediction software. Many programs appeared in the 90’s – and some enjoyed successful spells for a (short) period – but in the end, they all failed. Unsurprisingly, interest in and marketing spend for such ideas subsequently waned.
Having chased these rainbows for a number of years my strategy now is to apply time, judgement and experience to studying form using my own product. I’m not saying it’s the only way to do it successfully, but it’s the only way I can do it successfully.
Mike
Hi gang
the bottom line is….."betting attracts low calibre, gullible people"
(predominantly)also… it would be pointless to
sell
betting software that produces a profit. Punters would not possess the warewithal to operate it, and it would kill betting. (which is built upon vast amounts of LOSERS)
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carlisleI If anyone reading this has produces predictor software get in touch!
A few of us buffs met up recently at Wolverhampton. To kick off TRF Computer Systems Group. So the ball has started to roll.
I visited RI a few months ago and this is what they has to say about my computer system.
Statement from RI “Yes, it was great to meet you yesterday and thank you for showing us your winner-finding system. It certainly does looks like a fairly bomb-proof piece of software and you’ve given us plenty of food for thought. “
I used this system to win THR Class 1 Group 1 tipping competition last year.
Hi quadrilla
"i thought you told me, that you was a LOSER……
"oh sorry……. (now i am on the run….)
cya from
carlisleps can we all stop masslarging our personal EGOs
(too much to ask of course)I am thinking of doing a bit of programming, and wouldn’t mind receiving a piece of advice.
In the early to mid 90s I did quite a bit of database-related programming at work, using FoxPro 2.0
I haven’t done any programming since then, and what I want advice on is this: which contemporary programming language should I buy/use? I would mainly be using it in conjunction with relational databases. I am a cheapskate, and wouldn’t really want to spend more than £200.
One other thing that I think could be quite easily programmable is something that works out what the place odds should be for a race, once you’ve inputted the win odds for the field. Do many people already have this?
Hi Gerald
computer programmers can tap away endlessly with expensive software on very nice machines, but the number one priority is….
"you must know how to make a longterm profit"
do
"teach the computer"
end[/color:mxdiafmn]The programming software is just a slave. I use FREEWARE….
byefrom
carlisleDave – Is there a market in this country for predictive software?
What form would it take?
.. Dolus, I don’t think there is a market for ‘winner picking software’, people have been worn out and down in with fake or unworkable packages that don’t give a profit.
As for any software for the future. I think an automatic download which gives a rating is the best way to go. If you could get something like patternform, or the Adrian Massey database, in a download and auto-up-date format, I would buy it.
Hi everyone,
Only just got round to reading this topic and I must say its been a very interesting read.
I’ve been interested in racing for the past 3 years and I’m yet to settle on a definitive way of making my selections.
My selection criteria has evolved during this time from the early days of just basing my horses on reading comments in the paper/net.
I really like using a statistical based approach to my racing but trawling through the Racing Post to find the stats used to take me ages. Once found I would then enter the data into a spreadsheet and assess the race from there.
After months of following the races this way I got annoyed at the length of time it took me to enter the data. I thought that there must be a solution out there, someone with a more computer based brain must have developed something similar. This is where I came across Adrian Massey, Patternform and ukracestats (Thanks Monster). Each one of these has assisted me no end.
I’m always interested in developments in this area but I don’t think that there is ever going to be a holy grail as the variables are just too much.
I’d be happy with a simple program that would do what I want it to do but unfortunately my computer skills are very minimal so this is a long way off if not a pipe dream.
Quadrilla – Sounds interesting and good luck with it
Betlarge – Nice site, looks complicated at first view but 20 years is impressive.
Good this thread has taken off again.
I dont know what happened toProfile
-it really was a remarkable wee program.
I had 11 winners on the bounce using it & in trixies as well.
Cleaned out Ladbrokes a few times as well.
Is there anyone out there that was associated with it?biotechy, that is remarkable. I wonder what happend to it?
Whats the best ‘current’ program you have seen?
Without a doubt Profile NH & Pro Punter Gold for the Amiga.Both were excellent in their own ways.You can get PP for nothing from DGA Software but its not worth bothering with now
In reply to an earlier question-I honestly believe that Profile could have been withdrawn from public sale as it was profitable-I know this-and too many people having it would affect the prices.
Richard Hudson from Odds On magazine owned or had a good bit to do with it.
Im sure he would be able to confirm or deny the program is still in use.
I will tell you something tho-I could make good profits from proper race selection with it & the prices were definately not short priced favs.In reply to an earlier question-I honestly believe that Profile could have been withdrawn from public sale as it was profitable-I know this-and too many people having it would affect the prices.
Richard Hudson from Odds On magazine owned or had a good bit to do with it.
Im sure he would be able to confirm or deny the program is still in use.
I will tell you something tho-I could make good profits from proper race selection with it & the prices were definately not short priced favs.Even with its good results Profile could just not get enough paying customers to keep it going. It ran down to a one man band then had to close.
After spending 3 years on and off working on a piece of software I’m still non the wiser if prediction software can be profitable. My software is a combination of form study and predictive. The form study part has always been very useful, I still can’t believe that the Racing Post don’t provide the ability to filter a horses form based on going, distance, left/right handed, jockey etc. Another thing I have automated is for any race to find all previous meetings of the horses, I can then filter out meetings that were under vastly different going conditions, distances or were just too long ago to be relevant. I’ve found these form study aids very useful over the years. I can also compare 2 horses to find any other 3rd horse they’ve both raced against (very useful when trying to assess juvenile/novice races).
On the prediction side of things over 11000 races my software shows a LSP of -400. The summer before last it excelled on the flat making a 500% profit in 4 months, I thought I was onto a good thing then last summer using exactly the same system there was a 20% loss to the starting bank.
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