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Like the Grand National fiasco and the Towcester nonsense more unwanted publicity for the sport created by itself.
I’m sorry but I found very little wrong with the ride to warrant a 9 day ban, are jockeys meant to go out there and not try to win the race? How do they justify a 9 day ban? In fact I thought it was a cracking ride. Many of the strikes were just love taps and would the ride even warrant an enquiry in other countries?The thing is there isn’t even a need for a ban the answer is so, so simple. If a jockey is guilty of a whip offence disqualify the horse. Jockeys wouldn’t break the rules then as they’d have nothing to gain from it and everything to lose.
It couldn’t be more simple.
Agree with Ian , disqualify the winner , soon enough the rules will not be broken so much , having said that it did not look as bad as the national debacle
like it or not the whip is a big deal to the outside world , Racing cannot ignore it , even if it wanted to
Ricky
A disgusting thing to see beating a horse 24 times with the whip.
Should have been a month ban
Don’t know about a 9 day ban, ride of the week so far for me. Don’t know anyone who complained about the ride until the ban was announced even anti whip campaigner McCririck.
The penalty just does not fit the "crime" A day or two perhaps but 9 days??
As for disqualifying winners that would reduce horse racing in this country to farce.- Total Posts 17716
Don’t know about a 9 day ban, ride of the week so far for me. Don’t know anyone who complained about the ride until the ban was announced even anti whip campaigner McCririck.
The penalty just does not fit the "crime" A day or two perhaps but 9 days??
As for disqualifying winners that would reduce horse racing in this country to farce.Yes indeed – ride of the week, in the race of the week (short-heading
Canford Cliffs
and
Goldikova
).
Anybody who was "disgusted" by this is either in the wrong sport, or put their house on the Australian Wonder Horse.
For me it was a beautiful example of how to use the whip to ride a finish, lightly and in rhythm.
Let’s see whether
Rewilding
is broken by the experience, or comes out and runs well again in the
King George
. Half Lombard Street to a china orange that he is the better horse for the experience of winning yesterday’s superb encounter.
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A disgusting thing to see beating a horse 24 times with the whip.
Should have been a month ban
And … well … how many days holiday would he have given for that ride in Ireland?
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.
If it deserves a ban, then the ban needs to be meaningful so the ban should on days that the same class of race is being run.
So a 4-day whip ban for excessive use in a Group 1 should served on the next 4 Group 1 days
Otherwise it’s hollow justice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIe_Au9_9Ww
And a bloody shame Ramonti’s Queen Anne isn’t on YouTube too.
Dettori’s just a horrible person, has no interest in the horses whatsoever, only in it for the money. A crying shame he’s the face of racing.
EDDIE CASE WROTE:
Don’t know about a 9 day ban, ride of the week so far for me. Don’t know anyone who complained about the ride until the ban was announced even anti whip campaigner McCririck.
The penalty just does not fit the "crime" A day or two perhaps but 9 days??
As for disqualifying winners that would reduce horse racing in this country to farce.Yes indeed – ride of the week, in the race of the week (short-heading Canford Cliffs and Goldikova).
Anybody who was "disgusted" by this is either in the wrong sport, or put their house on the Australian Wonder Horse.
For me it was a beautiful example of how to use the whip to ride a finish, lightly and in rhythm.
Let’s see whether Rewilding is broken by the experience, or comes out and runs well again in the King George. Half Lombard Street to a china orange that he is the better horse for the experience of winning yesterday’s superb encounter.
RUBYISGODINTHESADDLE WROTE:
A disgusting thing to see beating a horse 24 times with the whip.Should have been a month ban
And … well … how many days holiday would he have given for that ride in Ireland?
He would have got prob less in Ireland…i am all for getting rid of the Whip. He wouldn’t have won without the whip, beating it senseless like Rachel Alexandra was not so long ago that raised uproar over here.
It looks terrible and their is no need for it in the sport. Pinza you must love seeing horse beaten with the whip. What are the point of the rules if Dettori was willing to breach then to such an extent that he got a 9 day ban?. You obviously approve of whipping horse as much as they want???…
I thought Dettori’s use of the whip seemed like love taps until viewing it head on. Looked pretty forceful to me.
23 (or was it 24?) times is too much. This wasn’t just going over the limit by mistake. Whatever you think of the rules, deliberately floutting them deserves a pretty long ban.
Why use the whip that many times anyway? A ratta-tat-tat whip action should be a thing of the past; whether in time with the horse or not. Had Frankie took out at least every other one, I’m sure Rewilding would have done just as well. Don’t think Dettori has come out with the statement, but often jockeys say "I would not have won without hitting the horse so many times", that’s rubbish. Indeed many times (not this one) it leads to the horse getting unbalanced.
What is the answer?
Ask any non-racing / non-horsey person if they like the whip being used on a horse? And they’ll all say no. Explain to them it is an essential tool and you might get a different response.
Although I am for the whip (especially when wielded by a lady dominatrix)
, I’ve recently come to the conclusion we have to change. I think Sir Mark Prescott came up with a fair idea. Jockeys should be allowed to encourage their mounts with up to only three touches with the whip. (He said 3 or 5, but I believe 3 is enough). Doesn’t tax the jockey too much either, being easy enough to count to three within the maelstrom of a race. Any more and the horse is disqualified. No doubt at first there’d be a spaite of relegated horses, but jockeys will soon get used to it. Sir Mark also made a couple of other valid points.1) Banning the whip altogether would mean trainers do things to scare the horse at home. Leading them to think something is going to happen on course and so go faster. ie No whips mean more ill-treatment, not less.
2) Jockeys need the whip for corrective use. But allowing jockeys only to use a whip for corrective use won’t work either. As they’ll only make horses wander etc deliberately, to be able to use the encourager. Impossible to diferentiate between deliberately allowing a horse to wander and accidentally doing so. It is very unfair to place a horse doing nothing wrong and remaining straight at a disadvantage.
Jockeys still get banned, but trainer and owners would be livid, where as today they just congratulate the rider for a great ride. Therefore, jockeys will not take the risk and bans / disqualification won’t be widespread.
Value Is EverythingBHA spokesman Paul Struthers said on the issue yesterday:
"All Wednesday’s events showed were that the current rules and penalties don’t work".How did it show that?
The penalty was too severe for the "offence" for me, we should be concentrating on the good things in the sport rather this constant obsession with the whip issue, the BHA should be leading the way on this.Any radical change to whip use in this country will alter the way races are run, horses are far less likely to be dropped out at the back and come with a late run and a lot more will ridden close to the pace, it will not work and I can see people turning their backs on the sport eventually.
sooner or later the whip will be banned and once one country does it, be it the UK or elsewhere, the rest of the world will follow.
It’s just not acceptable any more to hit a horse to make it go faster.
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Pinza you must love seeing horse beaten with the whip. What are the point of the rules if Dettori was willing to breach then to such an extent that he got a 9 day ban?. You obviously approve of whipping horse as much as they want???…
No. I approve of horse racing – that’s encouraging horses to RACE, Ruby – rather than offering them an easy canter in the park. That’s what developing the breed is about.
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It’s just not acceptable any more to hit a horse to make it go faster.
Not to you. Please don’t speak for most of us racing fans.
Although I believe the rules should be changed: Any idea that those who don’t believe (like Pinza) are at all for "abuse" of horses; is WRONG. They just have a different opinion.
Does make you wonder:
If the "whip" were called something else, for example an "encourager"; and had another word for "hit" or "strike", such as "tap"…. Would there be such an uproar?Value Is Everything- Total Posts 17716
Thank you for that,
Ginger
. There is no need for anyone to get personal over this issue.
People who haven’t already might like to read Richard Dunwoody’s thoughts on the matter elsewhere on TRF:
https://theracingforum.co.uk/horse-r … 87148.html
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