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  • #1277632
    droffats
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    In all my years racing I have never witnessed anything like the last race today. The commentator nor the camera man could see the horses pass the winning line.
    Incredible. Surely it can’t paint racing in the right light. How do the jockeys see never mind the poor horses.
    To me it was scandalous.

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    Agreed droffats,

    Who can be sure all horses jumped all the obsticles?
    Am reminded of a story in John Francome’s book Born Lucky.
    One jockey (I believe it was John Williams) stopped, waited for them to come around again, joined in and won.

    I know there’s a lot of money wagered on a Saturday (the levy and all that) but this was silly.

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    I have asked Haydock via their Twitter account how they arrived at the result, but I’m not holding my breath for an answer. The Stewards Reportstaed ‘Nothing To Report’ which seems ridiculous given the circumstances, and I can just imagine Mr Tellwrong saying “move along everyone, nothing to see here”.

    Given that no distances were returned, and hence the result presumably didn’t come from the photo finish, I am inclined to wonder if they asked the jockeys where they finished.

    Rob

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    How is the handicapper going to rate the race? :unsure:

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    #1277638
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    Totally agree. Racecourses are just puppets to the Bookies. What will the Hennessey be called next year ?

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    Health and safety

    Charles Darwin to conquer the World

    #1277640
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    Health and safety

    You would think in this day and age they would have at least GPS sensors on the jockeys. Imagine if someone put in an objection !

    #1277641
    stilvi
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    They interviewed the winning jockey and he said conditions were okay. Surely the jockeys would be in the best position to know. It is not as if they are slow to react to danger if there is low sunlight.

    Are we suggesting they have just made up the finishing order? If we have the order how many people are that concerned about the distances.

    It amazes me what creates an outcry these days. I would be far more interested in the dubious day to day running of horses you can actually watch.

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    Apparently a steward was standing by the finishing post to record the result.

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    Are we suggesting they have just made up the finishing order? If we have the order how many people are that concerned about the distances.

    No, just querying how they arrived at the finishing order given the circumstances.

    If, as the last poster suggests, a steward was posted by the finish then surely it’s worth noting in the Steward’s Report?

    #1277645
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    Fences and hurdles are being taken out of races too often when the sun is out. Once the sun appears at all it seems as though the officials and jockeys have a problem, so with that in mind I think its fair to say that if conditions were in any way dangerous that they would have called the racing off. Clearly they weren’t dangerous

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    I think this has been blown out of proportion. We would have seen the horses crossing the line if they’d had the camera on the line when they went by rather than when they were pulling up. Commentator obviously watching a screen rather than the course.

    I’m sure the jockeys and the horses can see far enough head to ensure their safety. Having been at Gowran a couple of days they’ve had woeful fog, and can see very little on TV, in reality it’s safe – it’s not as if you can’t see beyond your nose.

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    What a shame about the fog today, it was hard to enjoy any of the races. The last at Haydock was the one that definitely should not have been run. The winning jockey admits that only when catching site of the wings could he tell a hurdle was coming up. Normally that limited a degree of visibility would be deemed too dangerous. Evidently the race was seen by the tracking vehicle and above board. Evidently there was a steward at the winning post. Evidently there was 1/2 length between 1st & 2nd.

    Why was it run? Perhaps partly for financial reasons and partly for the benefit of owners & trainers, they having brought their horses to run. But what enjoyment could they have derived, what could they have learned about their horses from seeing nil? And for those not connected, whether professionals, avid followers or casual observers it was entirely unsatisfactory, investment of one kind or another in a ‘product’ that didn’t materialise.

    If you excuse the pun, what image did running this give of racing!

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    Thirteen posts and no one’s mentioned the racegoers. How can you charge around £25 for an event that you can’t see. Farcical.

    I’ve had many a rant about jump racing being ruined by the amount of jumps being omitted for ridiculous reasons TWM.

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    Avatar photoRichK
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    Fog’s not as bad when you’re in it, but they’d have only had a hundred yard’s or so visibility – fine if there’s no accidents, but if something had gone wrong….

    Not sure the racegoers are that relevant – no-one would have been refunded if they’d abandoned the last. Which they should have done, if the judge couldn’t see the result.

    #1277678
    stilvi
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    Thirteen posts and no one’s mentioned the racegoers. How can you charge around £25 for an event that you can’t see. Farcical.

    I’ve had many a rant about jump racing being ruined by the amount of jumps being omitted for ridiculous reasons TWM.

    Yes, it was a point I nearly made in my earlier post. Unless you live within walking distance it isn’t just the cost of the ticket is it? Clearly it isn’t good enough to not offer any form of compensation.

    #1277700
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    I was at Haydock today. It was actually quite a good meeting with a reasonable card and a festive crowd – we even had a streaker ! But the fog was something you could only imagine, especially for the final race. We couldn’t even see them pass the winning post in front of us ! I understand there was a steward at the line and another who had travelled round in the ambulance. I agree, it was a total farce and (the last race) should have been abandoned.

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