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haha how ironic is it that 2 of zarkava’s biggest fans are trying to knock stacelita maybe the word jealous springs to mind?i really dont understand how stacelita can be that price , she has absolutely no chance of winning it , very slow animal without turn of foot [/color:ejx9bq71]
and diane form is poor
very nice lay
vision d etat the underated will go close i think[/quote
Well said hmm stalking a brisk pace with an unusual action crying out for a lot of cut in the ground taking over 3 furlongs out and effectively putting the race to bed with her cruising speed then idling in front albeit against some average horses but if that is a very slow animal then u tell me whats makes a fast animal? remember that was good ground and she cud be as much as 10 pounds better on soft
Also if vision d etat beats stacelita in the arc ill give up the sport myselfOut of interest, is anybody taking Cavalryman as a serious contender for the Arc?
I was wondering whether this was Fist’s "New Kid On The Block", mentioned elsewhere. Though some have taken this as a reference to Sariska.
:evil:haha how ironic is it that 2 of zarkava’s biggest fans are trying to knock stacelita maybe the word jealous springs to mind?
This time last year Zarkava’s victims in the Pouliches and Diane had racked up 3 Group 1s. I don’t think Stacelita’s victims have even racked up 3 victories.
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I suppose you could say it about any race but teh Arc really is a races of "if’s" this year. Last year I thought it was a forgone conclusion 6 weeks earlier than the stage we are at now. Zarkava stood out like a sore thumb but this year nothing does.
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Stacelita is as good as Zarkava she’ll win the Arc but that’s the biggest
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in the race
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Sea the Stars is as good as they say then Fame and Glory would have to be the choice as there can’t be much between them now. Personally I think Sea the Stars and Fame and Glory’s form is as weak ass piss and they could be grossly overrated.
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I am right the Fame and Glory fans are on to rice.
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Sea the Stars and Fame and Glory have been over rated Sariska who looks head and shoulders above any of the fillies in the UK could be the one. She would need to be every bit of that and more to win this but her trainer thinks she’s really something special. The talk before her last race was how far? now I’m told she’s improved even more. Talk is cheap but
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she has she’ll take the world of beating. Perhaps we’ll know a bit more after the Yorkshire Oaks and
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she wins again like she did last time you would have to take her chance very seriously
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Vision DEtat were to improve dramatically she might run better than she did last year but there is no evidence to support she has or will.
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the ground were really soft Ask and Casual Conquest would be dangers to all.
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SMS is correct and he is very seldom wrong Conduit will improve considerably between now and October. I’m not even sure he would have to improve that much to win this.
I was delighted when he won the King George but far from impressed. He just didn’t look complete yet and I think he’s fully 10 lbs better than Tartan Bearer or Ask. Compare him in that to the way he won the St Leger and the Breeders and you can clearly see SMS is correct there is better to come.
I fear Sariska because she’s the unkown in the race. There’s no real way of telling how good only that she’s in a different class to the fillies or seems to be.
While Fame and Glory beat nothing in the Irish Derby you would have to think Murtagh who speaks highly of the horse knows the time of day. I wouldn’t be prepared to say his Derby 2nd to Sea the Stars is enough to justify backing him for the Arc but Murtagh saying he improved bundles after the race must be taken seriously.
Unless anthing untoward happens like they end up running on really bad ground or the race is run at a crawl like the Derby was I can’t see anything outside of these 3 winning.
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And if I took their ratings as golpel I’d be skint in a week.
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The man’s a lunatic. He gives horses ridiculously stupid RPRs and then bolsters other RPRs to try and justify them. He gave Tamarinbleu 172 or something stupid like that for winning the VC. He gave Voy Por Ustdes something like 185 for beating Master Minded at Aintree. Surprise surprise, 11 months later he’s back to running in the 160s like he was before he was beaten by Master Minded. They’re good for juveniles but otherwise completely pointless and dreadful.
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I never pay much attention to them Z but I always get the impression they put themselves in ahole they cant get out off. Master Minded was a classic examle when he shot above Kauto Star after two wins over VPU which was rediculous. Maybe Arkle should be rated 2120 to give more room between Grade 1 winners I don’t know.
Sea Bird II was rated 145 Brigadier Gerard 144 Mill Reef Rated 141 Nijinsky 140 Shergar 140 Dubai Millennium 140 Vaguely Noble 140 all look way too tight to me but all of them Greats by right
When you take Sea the Stars rating he shares that exat number with 28 other horses from the past. Which emphasis my point of how ordinary a classic winner Sea the Stars is unless you think they were all Great!!!. Ordinary by classic standards does not mean he isn’t a good horse it just means he doesn’t deserve the word "Great" next to his name used by some of the press selling newspapers or over enthusiastic youngsters like equi
Now I’ve just used rating to prove a point and that’s about all they are good for. You want to defend saying Sea the Stars is a "Great" horse you don’t mention them if you want to say he’s ordianary by classic standards you bring them up.
I have a better way…if a horse goes Zoom! and leaves everything 3 to10 lengths in his/her wake in a race like the Arc after hack cantering to victory in the Derby and the King George the chances are he or she were great….If they are all out flat to win races but d so by short margins but have no real zoom about them they fall into the very good category.
The way I look at it a horse with zoom like the Nijinsky’s Mill Reef’s and Dancing Braves will always beat the Sea the Stars of the world and nothing will ever convince me otherwise. There just isn’t any defence when something a passes you like a rocket…….You only need to imagine Zarkava and Sea the Stars being level with a furlong to go in the Arc to understand what I am saying…….she’d put so much distance between her and him you could drive a tank divison between them.
I might be pigheaded but I can’t for the life of me understnd why people could imagine anything else but that happening and coming up with argumants like she only beat Youzmain 3 lengths or whatever.
Zoom Zoom I’m of to bed.
Stacelita is a special filly and to beat her you need a horse with an exceptional turn of foot like zarkava and the only horse i can see who comes close to even being capable this year is a fit and firing youmzain of 2007
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Yeah she’s real special so far she’s beat her own stable companion and miler Tamaritze, Article Rare who finished stone last behind Tamaritze, Divine Comedy who’s ran 3 times like a cow since, Zilgaro who never raced again and some other mule.
Something like Midday would look every bit a special as her racing against that lot and loo what Sariska did to her.
Stacelita will be eaten alive in the Arc IMO
I looked at the Saint Alary form after the Prix de Diane. Her 5 victims that day had raced a total of 19 times this season and won only 4 times with 3 of those coming from the horse who trailed in last!
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When you take a good look at her pedigree I really don’t think she got much of future
Stacelita (FR)
3-y-o (17Apr06 b f)
Chum (GER) (11.9f) — ACAN (GER) (Your Destiny (8.8f))
Trainer J-C Rouget
Owner Ecurie Monastic & M Schwartz
Breeder J -P Duboisi think stacelita will get beat in the vermeille and they wont supplement her for the arc so you can heavily lay her from now
when did i say the form is great it clearly isn’t but goldikova apart who herself improved since the guineas and would’ve given zarkava a race had they met at a mile since then which great filly did zarkava beat? gagnoa? halfway to heaven? da re mi? conference call?
gagnoa and da re mi wudve had trouble beating the pacemaker in the arc
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