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June 29, 2009 at 01:35 #236900
7/1 Fame and Glory looks on the big side to me- it looks the obvious race for him and he’s got no ground issues. I’ve already laid Stacelita and Sea the Stars
June 29, 2009 at 02:08 #236907AnonymousInactive- Total Posts 17716
Definitely an improved performance today but Murtagh suggesting a 1m2f race as a traget for him was a bit offputing. I would fancy him a lot though if it was hock deep as he would get a bit of weight from Casual Conquest and co which the value of you can about double on soft to heavy ground.
On anyy other ground he would still have a helluva chance if he improves any more than he obviously has. That pace today would have suited Golden Sword being a galloper but he went past him like he was standing still.
June 29, 2009 at 04:53 #236927Definitely agree the Prix Du Jockey club has been given a boost, dont agree that Montmartre failed to run to form there but he is all stamina and found that trip a bit short
You cannot be serious. Montmartre was beaten 24 lengths in finishing 15th of 20. If that was his true running then, as Ian Hislop once said, I’m a banana.
I’d agree here, anyone who saw what happned before hand the horse was hysterical, clearly frightened by the PA system.
Gotta laugh at Staceita knockers too, who have no basis to their arguments what so ever, the arguments put over sounds like she is an exposed filly.
Hey you can only beat whats put in front of you and she has destroyed everything she has faced, sounds like people just want the filly to fail in absolute spite.
June 29, 2009 at 05:15 #236931Red Riot, if the horse is up to the job, I’ll admit I was wrong but she’s beaten absolutely nothing, yet she’s the favourite on Betfair for the Arc. And I thought we judged the merit of racehorses on form?
June 29, 2009 at 05:24 #236934Not seen the other horses yet where last year it was pretty easy to navigaate through form.
Stacelita though if she gets the typical Arc ground will be a huge threat, also its hard to gauge a front runner on form, her last run she did win eased down which as to be a plus point for her backers.
July 8, 2009 at 22:53 #238570SEA THE STARS: I don’t think he’ll run
STACELITA: I think she is one of the most overrated fillies, Ghanaati would beat her imo
FAME AND GLORY: Very impressive in Irish Derby. Stays trip well, likes soft ground. Shortlist (already backed @ 12/1 )
VISION D’ETAT: Does nothing when he hits the front, very impressive turn of foot in Prince of Walses Stakes, 5th last year and looks to have improved again. Shortlist
CONDUIT: I just don’t think he’s good enough to rattle the best of these
BEHESHTAM: Ran well the last day, looks about the right price
ASK: Ran well in this last year and if the ground came up soft he could be interesting for an each-way bet, can’t see him winning it though
YOUMZAIN: Never runs a bad race, but always manages to get beaten by something. Can be expected to run well again
CASUAL CONQUEST: Very impressive winner of Tattersalls Gold Cup, D K Weld has mapped him out for this since the 2008 Irish Derby. ShortlistMy idea of prices(wo/Sea The Stars): Actual prices:
FAME AND GLORY 5/2 9/2
VISION D’ETAT 7/1 14/1
CASUAL CONQUEST 7/1 20/1
ASK 14/1 33/1
YOUMZAIN 14/1 25/1
CONDUIT 16/1 14/1
STACELITA 16/1 5/1
BEHESHTAM 20/1 16/1September 15, 2012 at 07:35 #413158I would never question Dancing Brave’s place amongst the pantheon of great racehorses.Arguably he could have been the best after Sea Bird,in the middle -distance category.No horse ever equalled Dancing Brave’s acceleration in the last furlong in the 1985 Arc,where he vanquished the best field since Sea Bird did in 1965.The likes of Bering,Tryptich,Sharastani,Shardari etc were all overpowered.We were reminded of a bullet being shot out of a gun and he made the rest of the field look like a bunch of daisies.He also ran the fasted ever last 2 fulongs and furlong in the Epsom Derby of 1986 when he went down to Sharastani because of wrong riding tactics by Greville Starkey.Above all he was champion over a mile in the 2000 Guineas when he vaquished Green Desert with the speed of a sprinter.
Where Dancing Brave lagged was his inability to cope on soft ground like Mill Reef and arguably his inability in a distance over 12 furlongs.Mill Reef and Nijinsky stayed better.However on the day of the Arc he may have well been the best after Sea Bird and Ribot.I don’t think Sea the Stars or Mill Reef revealed the same acceleration in their Arc wins as Dancing Brave who simply flashed like a comet.
The best arc victories to me were in order of merit those of sea Bird,Dancing Brave,Ribot,Peintre Celebre,Vaguely Noble,Sea the Stars and Mill Reef.
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