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  • #318950
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    Cape Blanco

    Set to go the Prix de l’Arc de Triomphe!

    According to the news channel Equidia, Cape Blanco is directed to the Prix de l’Arc de Triomphe (GI, 2400 meters), Sunday, October 3, 2010. Information confirmed by the fact that the colt has been removed from the outgoing Queen Elizabeth II Stakes (GI) on Saturday September 25, he had a prior dispute.

    #318955
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    Also I need someone to clarify whether or not SILVER POND is going to run in the race, because if he is, he could be the one to spring a suprise?

    Another – that some may have wondered as to it’s whereabouts??
    Sick note…

    Silver Pond

    : Setback & forced into rest
    Misses the Grand Prix de Paris
    Engaged in the Grand Prix de Paris 2010 Silver Pond had to decline the fight. The protégé of Carlos Laffon-Farias had a splint which caused an interruption of his training. Unbeaten in three public appearances, the Prize will not be reviewed Hocquart track before the fall.

    Rest up! 8)

    #318964
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    "Euro" wrote: Youmzain is on the downgrade now and wont show the same level of form he has in the last three Arcs.

    As of yet there is no evidence to support this.

    #318975
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    P.s. whilst I’m speculating…

    how do people read these comments from CP after the trial?
    Compared to what they saw or heard?

    Niel Price:

    What a struggle in the final meters!

    Then right before entering the final straight, planter took his responsibilities. A little too soon perhaps! Considering that Live Free had done enough, the partner of Anthony Crastus, secured the lead ahead Behkabad, stashed behind. The long-awaited duel began. The last 300 meters were beautiful. Planter, still leading, 100 meters from the stake, thought to have been the hardest, but Behkabad, led by the millimeter-Christophe Patrice Lemaitre great day, it blew the win in a final assault. On a tiny head!

    Haven’t got time to write in detail…

    but having watched the replay of the above I noted:

    that Bartie in commentary said with – 2 go ‘Bheki’ is in trouble’….
    CP looked in drive mode and gave him 5 whacks!

    Whilst the jock on ‘Plantr’ gave one (prob due to last time out?) – then switched hands for two hand taps down the rail side?

    Whilst not looking the best balanced by doing so…

    #318977
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    Maintenance for Behkabad

    existing locations bookmakers’ favorite for the Arc de Triomphe, Sunday, October 3, Behkabad joined his stall training center Pau de Sers in the aftermath of his victory Prix Niel and he will not prompted by Gallop for the great trial at Longchamp. "Simply the interview, that is to say the canter on the sand," says Jean-Claude Rouget, who will therefore no longer to call Christophe Lemaire Beam. To date, even though some indicators that tip the scales in favor of the male of 3 years, it is unclear whether the first jockey to the Aga Khan chose instead Sarafina. Another question, will there a horse game, given that the rumors of the involvement of 5 years to support Wildenstein Absolute Power Planter in his quest for victory.

    #318994
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    Youmzain is on the downgrade now and wont show the same level of form he has in the last three Arcs.

    As of yet there is no evidence to support this.

    Look at his form this year in events where he has shown a high level of performance in the past. He didn’t pick up as well as he normally does in Dubai, his run at Epsom off of a better pace than last year was nowhere near the level he showed when nearly chinning Soldier of Fortune in 2008 and speaking of the latter, his run at Saint Cloud this year was light years behind his victory in that race in that same year.

    #318999
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    When Workforce was 8’s last week I thought it was value imo compared to Behkabad.

    Remember people slag off Derby form this year and maybe there right, but remember Rewilding and Jan Vermeer have faced the French pair and the margins that Workforce beat them was greater than Behkabad and Planteur.

    Pretty hard to find the winner, I think Cape Blanco is the best horse in the race but he surely isn’t the best at the trip though. Workforce for me currently.

    #319017
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    Absolutely no way Lemaire jumps off Behkabad.

    Just to add more to the puzzle that is this year’s Arc, think about what the market would be like if Planteur didn’t exist. Behk would have finished an unlucky 3rd in the French Derby over 2100m, beat Jan Vermeer by 4L, and won the Prix Niel by 5L, and be a very hot favorite for the Arc. I’d be wary of writing off the two French horses as just 2 very good horses instead of 2 potential superstars.

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    Are you Nick Mordin in disguise? :D

    But seriously, Presto, welcome to the forum, some great posts – and totally agree with you in that last one. Not sure why people are trying so hard to write off the Frenchies. Obviously Lope de Vega’s lost his way but Dick Turpin form in the Poulains puts him just behind Makfi…

    Watched a feature on RPTV today about the Arc and some editor chappy alongside Segal was saying he didn’t think Behkabad was a worthy favourite because he only won by a head last time out.

    Based on that logic surely Peintre Celebre had very little chance of winning the Arc…

    p.s. Just noticed Peintre Celebre finished 3rd in the Chenes as a 2yo. Nice little Arc ‘prep’ – he, Dalakhani and Bago all ran (the latter 2 won) in the Chenes and went onto win the Arc. Behks to make it 4 in 14 runnings?

    #319097
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    The most ‘Bheki’ has ever won by is 3/4L… :shock:

    I just wonder if he won last time as easy as people had thought or hoped? :idea:
    ‘If’ CP has chosen ‘Sara’ as has been rumored across the channel then what?!
    The form between them and ‘Arasin’ (from last year) says that there isn’t much between them.

    P.s. :o

    He clocked the same time as ‘Bago’ when he won the Chenes… :wink:

    Behkabad still unbeaten
    Jean-Claude Rouget proclaimed himself to be impressed with his colt, who came back from the race very calm; "He progresses with every run and has improved for his debut at La Teste, as most of my colts do after their first run. When he changed legs today he accelerated well and that’s a good sign. Now he will go for the Criterium International but I am not sure we’ll run him again this term."

    :D

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    "Euro" wrote:

    Youmzain is on the downgrade now and wont show the same level of form he has in the last three Arcs.

    As of yet there is no evidence to support this.

    Look at his form this year in events where he has shown a high level of performance in the past. He didn’t pick up as well as he normally does in Dubai, his run at Epsom off of a better pace than last year was nowhere near the level he showed when nearly chinning Soldier of Fortune in 2008 and speaking of the latter, his run at Saint Cloud this year was light years behind his victory in that race in that same year.

    His 3rd’s last year in below par Group 1’s in the run up to the Arc didn’t add up to much. I’m guessing you said he regressed before last year’s Arc too then?

    Maybe he has, maybe he hasn’t. The point is, his form this year isn’t much different to last year’s.

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    He hated everything about Hong Kong, the fast ground, the noise, etc. and got no run in Dubai (like Presvis).

    #319171
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    We will see come the day but im just not convinced the
    French horses are all that great. When Jan Vermeer
    finished 4L behind Bekhabad that race was only a couple
    of weeks after the Irish Derby, a race ran at an
    unbelievable pace. It would amaze me if Jan Vermeer put
    up anything like his Irish Derby run in that race but
    if i am wrong and the French have a 1-2-3 then i will
    happily accept that i got it wrong and the French are
    in fact have a much better crop of Middle Distance
    horses. At least we know the French older middle
    distance horses are not up to much based on Duncans win
    in the Foy, guess we will soon find out how good their
    3 year olds are. Im on Youmzain e/w but im wary of
    Fame and Glory and Workforce. Expect 1 of those 3 to
    win it :roll: :shock: :P :idea:

    #319172
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    Thanks Zarkava, I certainly follow Nick Mordin and he talks a lot of sense at times. For example, the Canford Cliffs not staying a mile idea is ridiculous in hindsight; he would have flogged Dick Turpin if he didn’t hang in the race before the Guineas.

    If his analysis of the times of the Arc trials is indeed accurate (that Behk reached the ~300m mark 0.8s faster than Midday and still finished 0.8s quicker), then Behkabad and Planteur must be something special indeed. I don’t know if there was rain or some factor to account for that. The numbers seem a bit much, but I’m prepared to think that the Frenchies are very good. Through Jan Vermeer, I can see them beating Midas Touch comfortably.

    One thing that makes me hesitant to use the "if Planteur weren’t there" hypothetical is the fact that if Sea The Stars weren’t around Fame and Glory would have looked unbeatable last year. Maybe F&G really is that smart as he was probably on the downward curve last year in the Arc. I just can’t see him winning with his lack of acceleration. He’ll need it all to fall into place and kick early, and I still can’t see Behk or Planteur not running him down if they get a half decent draw.

    #319206
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    Everyone’s gloating like they’ve already picked the winner lol

    I love it when these 2 horse races don’t work out that way. i.e the day I had Makfi when only Paco or Goldi could win or the day I had Imperial the day only Kauto or Denman could win.

    I seriously believe that one horse is gonna slaughter them all.

    The Force is with you.

    #319327
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    His 3rd’s last year in below par Group 1’s in the run up to the Arc didn’t add up to much. I’m guessing you said he regressed before last year’s Arc too then?

    Maybe he has, maybe he hasn’t. The point is, his form this year isn’t much different to last year’s.

    I did back him to place in last year’s race so no, I didn’t say that. His runs at Saint Cloud and Dubai were notably worse imo.

    #319383
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    Couldn’t have Workforce or Fame and Glory here- have laid Workforce today at 13/2, will reduce my liability on the day if he runs, which is far from certain IMO. Don’t like the way F and G missed his prep. I’m on Sarafina at 10/1- excellent prep and huge speed figure in the Diane.

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