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Pointless column these days. Bookmakers just don’t lay bets anymore, nevermind big price ones highlighted as “value” in the Racing Post. Betway, Betfair, Bet 365 and Boyles are an ever increasing percentage of bets recommended. Is he having a laugh? What are Paddy Power even doing in the Pricewise List?
How does Tom Segal manage to get his bets on at his recommended prices?
He doesn’t bet.
He’s a tipster not a gambler.
Would probably do better for himself if he gave up the tipping lark and bet them instead, the fact he doesn’t says it all really.Blackbeard to conquer the World
His column often highlights aspects of a race or horse that is of interest and for that reason alone it is worthy of attention, regardless of whether you want to get on his selection or otherwise.
Maybe we should bring back TRF Vs Pricewise for the summer?
Tom Segal’s column is for the small-stake punter.
Pointless column these days. Bookmakers just don’t lay bets anymore, nevermind big price ones highlighted as “value” in the Racing Post. Betway, Betfair, Bet 365 and Boyles are an ever increasing percentage of bets recommended. Is he having a laugh? What are Paddy Power even doing in the Pricewise List?
How does Tom Segal manage to get his bets on at his recommended prices?
Tom is a tipster, not a gambler, he does not usually back his own tips.
Depends what your meaning of “Bookmakers just don’t lay bets anymore”, is Yeats. Tom Segal said in the TRF interview that Pricewise is for the small-stake punter; the fivers and tenners. Do bookmakers still “lay” these smaller bets?
Presume they do for a time. When a tipster has such a good reputation/following imo you can not blame bookmakers for limiting stakes and/or limiting the number of bets they’ll take at those prices – otherwise they’d go out of business. However infuriating it is for me when I agree with Tom’s assessment of “value” (I can’t get-on) it provides a service for the small-stake punter.Does not need to be a Pricewise horse for bookmakers to refuse or limit bets. If only I could get bets on with Victor, Stan, Coral, Fred, William or Sky.
Value Is EverythingWell Nathan & Gingertipster were did you get this inside info that Tom doesn’t back his own tips?
TRF Q & A with Tom Segal
Q Robledo – How often do you back your selections?
A Tom – Nearly always back my selections providing I can get on at a reasonable price
He said in an interview either on c4 or somewhere on the internet that he didn’t back the majority of his tips.
Personally I believe the bookies give him bigger prices on his selections so his P@L looks healthier than anyone else can possibly get by backing his tips and by the time the mugs have got on at a lot shorter price the bookies profit off Tom’s tips.Blackbeard to conquer the World
Pricewise record since March last year here
If you can do better than that then I take my hat off to you.
However infuriating it is for me when I agree with Tom’s assessment of “value” (I can’t get-on) it provides a service for the small-stake punter.
I’ve already got a bet on Jellicle Ball and would like to go in again. Available at at least 10/1 this morning; now 8/1. Not that 8’s is bad value imo; I make her a fair 5/1 shot!
But is annoying when Tom makes good value bets shorten up. Well, I presume she’s Pricewise?Value Is EverythingTom Segal has done more than anyone to give solid credit to the method of betting at value prices. Many cannot or will not grasp that there is value in a 20/1 chance that they do not think can possibly win the race. Tom drives home again and again that the secret is not tipping regular winners, it’s tipping enough winners at big prices – prices which do not fairly represent that selection’s chance of winning – is a highly reliable ‘system’, and always will be.
That’s true Joe but how does he get the 20/1 shot in the paper when I’m on oddschecker all night and the said horse is best price 12/1. Then in the morning Tom has 20/1 which lasts about the same time as a virgin in a bedroom full of supermodels.
Blackbeard to conquer the World
Tom Segal quoted in the (excellent) book ‘The Secrets Of Pricewise’ by James Milton
“I’m not a massive punter by any stretch of the imagination. Punting has never been that high on my agenda. I like betting, and I back 90% of the horses I tip but I wouldn’t be having thousands of pounds on – it’s just a bit of fun. I’m much better at tipping than I am at betting and the main pleasure I get out of my job is trying to solve the puzzle.”
That’s true Joe but how does he get the 20/1 shot in the paper when I’m on oddschecker all night and the said horse is best price 12/1. Then in the morning Tom has 20/1 which lasts about the same time as a virgin in a bedroom full of supermodels.
The price shortens in the evening because bookmakers know who Tom is going to/has tipped and want to reduce liabilities Nathan. If they’re going to lay plenty of 20/1 in the morning, they don’t want to lay it at anything like 20’s the night before.
Value Is EverythingYes, but then does Tom have an advantage the day before knowing what the morning prices are going to be?
Blackbeard to conquer the World
Tom Segal quoted in the (excellent) book ‘The Secrets Of Pricewise’ by James Milton
“I’m not a massive punter by any stretch of the imagination. Punting has never been that high on my agenda. I like betting, and I back 90% of the horses I tip but I wouldn’t be having thousands of pounds on – it’s just a bit of fun. I’m much better at tipping than I am at betting and the main pleasure I get out of my job is trying to solve the puzzle.”
As I said, in the TRF Q & A he states he backs most of his selections and why wouldn’t you want to, with such a healthy return as pointed out by admin & steeeplechasing?
Why don’t they both blindly back his tips though and make money?Because it’s not possible for them or anyone else to make any money on the bets advised by Tom.
He’s picking off big prices in overbroke books well in advance of anyone else with bookmakers who wont lay bets.
I mean he’s regularly put up bets with Betway & Betfair Sportsbook recently, don’t know how many people have accounts with them but I don’t think I’ll be bothering with either of them, by all accounts they don’t lay bets pricewise or not and certainly wont lay Pricewise bets for very long. It’s a long list of bookmakers who wont lay bets.If Tom is so good can we have a list of TRF’s who follow his tips and make money and how they manage to get bets on?
The whole pricewise concept is totally pointless these days as no one can get bets on regularly following the tips.
As for Gingertipster missing the price because Tom’s tipped a horse up (although he got it wrong with Jellicle Ball :yes:) that’s surely swings and roundabouts because he will benefit when Tom tips a different horse to the one he fancies and that will happen more frequently surely?
Pricewise record since March last year here
If you can do better than that then I take my hat off to you.
If Pricewise could cope with what I’ve had to in the last 6 years I’d take my clothes off to him….
There’s no denying he is a great judge, but how he gets morning prices the day before is a huge bonus no?
He can sit on his computer and cross check the evening prices and cant fell to find value or am I missing something?
Imagine phoning Paddy Power and saying I like horse A but could you please tell me what price you have him in the morning?
I wish I had privy to a morning price of 20/1 the night before on a 12/1 fancy, it would be the best betting tool available like reading the future. Why would bookies allow him this access? Because they know people will follow but not get on the advised price by Tom but still back the horse all the way down, sometimes a horse advised by Tom can go from 20’s to 8’s within the time it takes to pick up the paper and go pay for it. By the time all the shorter prices have been taken and all losers taken into the equation by the time Tom lands a winner his P/L is going to be much healthier than his followers who are forced to take the lower price as the back every time and over the years will show a loss on Pricewise selections.Blackbeard to conquer the World
Pricewise tipped Legatissimo at 10/1 for today.
Clearly a numpty who hasn’t got a clue
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Pricewise tipped Legatissimo at 10/1 for today.
Clearly a numpty who hasn’t got a clue
Yes, best to concentrate on the horse returning 10 points and conveniently forget about the 11 points frittered away on other horses over the weekend.
Hopefully not much damage was done and as little was put on the losers as was allowed on the winner
You’re not Tanya Stevenson in disguise are you Steve
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