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Re-instating Naughton’s results seems an eminently sensible compromise. Infact I’d welcome a continuation of AJ’s monitoring of him or any other tipster he chooses to put in the stocks
All we know at the moment is that Naughton had a week-long losing run and allows his subscribers to rack up enormous phone bills (presumably) by blowing hot air into their lugoles, in addition to the upfront joining fees
Give him a chance to redeem himself or dig a deeper grave, say I
Is it possible to lock a thread to all bar AJ and the moderators? If so why not do that
Regarding AJ’s previous incarnations. I was neither aware nor do I care, but now being cognisant will say that the evolution from the wide-eyed, hot-headed sixth-form innocent of Lets Get Racing, prone to getting embroiled in rather one-sided ‘debates’ with I*n D***es into what I regard as the credible, erudite, sometimes interesting but still warm-headed guises of Equitrack and Armchair Jockey reflects that crossing of the Rubicon (or is it Styx?) from boy to man
What an entertaining forum this is
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Cormack, I’d be grateful if you would concern yourself with the really important matters: is my answer to your quiz question in t’lounge correct?
I am indeed LGR, who then became Equitrack and Media Gecko
The only member I have had any issue with in recent months has been TAPK – who I assume alerted Cormack as to my presence
Call me Lieutenant Colombo,i can spot a Charlatan just by his hand writing!
For the record Equi/Media/Armchair i never alerted Cormack to you as your opinion of me has no bearing on my style of writing,i expect to be slated at times for my conceited,arrogant,self indulging,knowledgable,accurate, consistent flow of big price winners i put up at no expense to anyone other than myself but hey "The record shows,i did it my way" I think the heat is starting to get to people
Let’s spend the day in the shade people, there are 8 races on terrestrial TV today. I suggest we all watch the Morning Line, whinge til our throats are dry about how we could do a better job then marvel at the afternoon program as our 8 selections get stuffed.
Life is too short for all this squabbling amongst ourselves.
I think you’ve summed everything up perfectly.
As a journalist (not a racing one, sadly), I can say that the original idea – looking at whether a tipster makes a profit – was fundamentally a good one.
There was a case for defamation action, but the defence of ‘fair comment’ and ‘public interest’ (so far as people who read the forum constitute the public in this particular case) would have almost certainly won out.
That said, it isn’t my forum
Aaaaanyway, isn’t Tanya/Lesley/Nick Luck/Thommo useless, whinge, whine, moan, blah
Twitter=@PGHenn
So don't run, just like the others always do
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I still see no reason why the whole thread cannot be re-instated, with any ‘risky’ comments deleted. It may take ‘ a couple of hours’ of a moderator’s time, but that would be a darn sight less than such as AJ had put into it initially. It most certainly wasn’t a problem to edit other, concurrent threads in this manner
For my own part, I saw very little that could be considered litigious in the original thread and, as truth would always be the best defence against any libel action, not much that couldn’t readily be proven. I’d certainly be prepared to justify anything I wrote on there in a courtroom.
People like Peter Naughton need exposing – there are any amount of similar threads, about different tipsters, on various fora, and they all provide a service to the unwary (just aboutall
of these tipster’s potential clientele, I should add), generally without hindrance from the mods. – more so when they abuse a position where the public are more likely to place their trust in them. By the same token, this forum is doing these same people a dis-service in not allowing such discussion. Thing is, it’s small beer on its own, but symptomatic (imo) of the much more worrying malaise that’s affecting this forum………
It has become increasingly clear lately that this forum is being run as a business rather than a discussion group, and deletion of the PN thread is just one more sign of the way it’s going. That ugly right-hand column, the various ‘jaunts’ Pompete alludes to, and wishes of ‘the shareholders’ etc, all point in one direction imo, and it doesn’t make for pretty reading.
This forum has only ever had one real currency, and that’s the discussion engendered by its members. Like many others, I have spent countless time and effort supporting that currency, and have no wish for that endeavour to be wasted supporting someone else’s balance sheet.
When commercial expediency takes priority over telling the truth, then I want no further part of it.In truth the whole episode is becoming less clear to me by the minute , but the one thing that is crystal clear is that we have a new forum , it is a business , Corm runs it with his partners/investors , and we have a choice . like it or dump it
Nothing stays forever and I daresay that when corm moves on we will have a new approach again from the new owners if such a thing takes place
The spirit of Daylight still lingers, its not quite a clean slate as yet , but gosh its getting there
we must not get into a stew personalising things though , as that’s rank bad manners
lets take a pull
Ricky
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I’d make a plea for the Naughton thread
not
to be reinstated, please.
Fundamentally because its only positive aspect was to prove that subscription tipsters can’t be relied upon, which (as I put it) was about as astounding as proving that water was wet.
Beyond that, Mr Armchair’s claim that his £199 subscription to the tipster’s line was an "experiment" seems curious. Does anyone really lay out that sort of money? unless they (a) hope to make a profit, or (b) make a splash, by singling out one particular individual – amongst the scores of such tipsters who dine daily off the broken hopes of the poor – for "public exposure". What was the motive here? That’s only for Mr Armchair to know, but the "public right to know" angle hardly accounts for the vituperative tone of his repeated postings.
I should add, that I personally have no time whatsoever for Mr Naughton’s chosen means of augmenting his modest and hard-warned journalistic income; but beyond that I feel he had and has a right not to be held up to repeated slurs on the basis of what (let’s face it) were only
reported
calls from a gentleman whose "previous" with this Forum doesn’t encourage confidence.
Please, let’s put this whole, grubby episode to bed. It’s putting me off my
foie gras
and chips.
I’d make a plea for the Naughton thread
not
to be reinstated, please.
I feel he had and has a right not to be held up to repeated slurs on the basis of what (let’s face it) were only
reported
calls from a gentleman whose "previous" with this Forum doesn’t encourage confidence.
I would say there is a difference between the normal tipster and a tv presenter who sells his wares in this way under the express banner of "the ethical edge".Can you not recognise that there is a difference ?
I’d make a plea for the Naughton thread
not
to be reinstated, please.
Fundamentally because its only positive aspect was to prove that subscription tipsters can’t be relied upon, which (as I put it) was about as astounding as proving that water was wet.
Beyond that, Mr Armchair’s claim that his £199 subscription to the tipster’s line was an "experiment" seems curious. Does anyone really lay out that sort of money? unless they (a) hope to make a profit, or (b) make a splash, by singling out one particular individual – amongst the scores of such tipsters who dine daily off the broken hopes of the poor – for "public exposure". What was the motive here? That’s only for Mr Armchair to know, but the "public right to know" angle hardly accounts for the vituperative tone of his repeated postings.
I should add, that I personally have no time whatsoever for Mr Naughton’s chosen means of augmenting his modest and hard-warned journalistic income; but beyond that I feel he had and has a right not to be held up to repeated slurs on the basis of what (let’s face it) were only
reported
calls from a gentleman whose "previous" with this Forum doesn’t encourage confidence.
Please, let’s put this whole, grubby episode to bed. It’s putting me off my
foie gras
and chips.
Corm has no problem with what was being reported as it was fact. Your opinion on whether the topic was grubby is neither here nor there. Corm read it with interest until some posted insults.
Far too much of your volatile and insulting opinion of AJ has been heard.
Your efforts of turning this whole thing into some sort of class war are becoming tedious and tiresome.
Give it a rest and let management do their job.
It’s putting me off my foie gras and chips.
On the subject of foie gras, I now know what it’s like to be force fed corn all night after listening to Matt Chapman’s banter over the PA system during most of last night’s meetingn at Chepstow. Spoiled what would have been an enjoyable evening. In this case there is no on/off button, unfortunately.
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Far too much of your volatile and insulting opinion of AJ has been heard.
Your efforts of turning this whole thing into some sort of class war are becoming tedious and tiresome.
Insulting?
How??
Class War??
What!!!
(Mr Onthesteal, my line about
foie gras
and chips might conceivably give you a hint about a balance of sympathies between patricians and plebs – though which group relishes what, I’m not so sure!)
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I believe I made it perfectly clear that I was testing Mr Naughton’s tipping line, Pinza, and as such was spending a mere £11 per day. Had you taken the time to read the thread properly you would know that the only occasion on which I referred to the amount of £199 was when detailing Peter’s five week membership option.
Let’s deal in facts, shall we?
Could we not throw it open to the forum to decide with a poll whether to return the thread or not?
Or would it be decided on which kind of poster it may offend and whether people with clout in the industry would stop posting/browsing?
Pompete – I’m obviously disappointed with the personal remarks you’ve directed at me Pete – I feel they are unjustified and unwarranted and a poor return for all the effort that I and others put into the forum.
Corm, you’re right to be disappointed. It was a cheap shot, below the belt and I apologise.
Of course you’re right to question how I would moderate the forum and the truthful answer is I don’t know – however, I believe that I would probably have edited individual post that may have been potentially libellous (I don’t believe they necessarily were, distasteful and unpleasant maybe) rather that have pulled the whole thread – although I appreciate this would create more work for yourself and Matron.
On the question Naughton, personally I have no problem with the quality of his tips and expressed no view on them as he could just be going through a poor run and we all have them. Also, I don’t actually have a problem in him ‘talking up his losers’. I view this as part of the ‘Near-Miss Psychology of Gambling’ (ask DD for details). However I do have a very large problem with his continual use of Mounty’s (Andrew Mount) success in the Scoop 6 as his own – in his professional bios, advertising his tipping line and on his website. And, for that alone there is in my view very serious questions regarding his integrity which I would hope this forum would be prepared to examine.
Once again I apologise for the person nature of my earlier post.
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I believe I made it perfectly clear that I was testing Mr Naughton’s tipping line, Pinza, and as such was spending a mere £11 per day. Had you taken the time to read the thread properly you would know that the only occasion on which I referred to the amount of £199 was when detailing Peter’s five week membership option.
Let’s deal in facts, shall we?
Let us do so indeed. I apologise for my misunderstanding, which has taken a long time to come to light.
So to "facts". How many £11 days did you sample for your "experiment"? Were they contiguous? Did you back Mr Naughton’s tips? What was your personal profit and loss?
As an open and unbiased public-spirited "experimenter" you should certainly share this information with your private Forum audience – after all, according to your book we have a Right to Know.
I for one promise not to pass your confidential information on to outsiders.
Pompete, I appreciate that, thank you.
Ive no problem with anybody being taken to task on the forum and no one should assume that the removal of that thread means Naughton is now somehow off-limits.
I have also held my hands up and said that with hindsight I might have handled that thread differently, perhaps removed it temporarily (although Im not sure if we can do that), went through it in detail and then re-posted. I will have a look into whether we can do something like that with similar future problem threads.
I must have missed all this fall out, having contributed myself to the Naughton thread.
I have a slightly realted thread probably directed at Paul Ostermeyer – the premium telephone regulator – do you think there are gorunds to grass up the traffic number you can ring on your mobile? "1200" – they keep inserting a "press 8 to hear more detail about this incident" everytime they read an incident instead of saying press 8 at the beginning of the original message – this is a clear ploy to keep us on the phone paying top dollar. Also do you reckon they could be forced to provide and option on say the M25 – clockwise or ante, M1 north or south? At the moment you have to wait till one half of the m25 is over before the bit you want even begins?
As you may have guessed I was stuck on the M25 on Friday during one of the worst tail backs I can recall and I thought after doing god knows how much money ringing this line is it possible to complain to someone – and the TRF came to mind!!!
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