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    Sailing Shoes
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    I haven’t voted….. But it should be less than 7 – not that it makes much difference – the geezer doesn’t get enough rides to consititute any worthy ban.

    #74217
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    about a millionth of what kf should end up – that option is not there either – storm in a tea cup surrounding mr o’neill by the knee-jerk soap-box-slimbing tree-hugger crowd, imo ;)

    #74218
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    I don’t think the ban should focus on ‘abuse’ (anyone who has been headbutted by a horse knows just how solid they are) and more on his very unprofessional behaviour.

    Having that kind of temper tantrum in any line of work should be frowned on and he should probably get the same as for Paul Doe’s violent behaviour against the stewards.  Make him spend a week of it being re-educated with the kids at the British Racing School to embarrass him into behaving in future.

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    C’mon guys – he’s held up his hands to a stupid loss of temper (which if you were handling a dangerously misbehaving horse you’d probably do too) and publicly apologised; the trainer of the horse has no problem with what happened and the horse will hardly have felt a thing!  He would have got his backside tanned for such dangerous behaviour in a yard, out of the public eye.  Some perspective, please!!

    I ahve ridden many unruly horses but would not dream of headbutting them.It was only sheer luck that he missed.Ity’s got nothing to do with being a do-gooder,ALL jockeys should care 100 percent about the welfare of their horses.

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    If you want a vote Zilzal then put a poll with options that provide for an opinion other than yours.

    Nobody has mentioned the trainer is this story either.

    Jockey lost his temper, never a good thing to do,frustration is no excuse.<br>I hope the next time a swine of a horse who bucks a jockey off and maybe causing serious injury, you’ll be asking for a balanced judgement of the horse concerned Zilzal.

    Scales only give a true reading when they are properly balanced.

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    O’Neill got a one day at the HRA hearing today.<br>Same as TJ Murphy got on appeal for throwing his whip in the direction of a horse that had fallen with him at Plumpton.<br>Luke Harvey reckoned O’Neill would get 7-10 days on Radio 5 this morning. Shows he hadn’t studied the HRA pre-announcements which suggested that the penalty would be at the low endo of the scale.

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    Quote: from zilzal on 7:23 pm on July 27, 2006[br]SL

    If the authorities deem that the incident constituted even a minor "assault" on a horse, I cannot see how a seven days or less punishment is a runner.

    A couple of years ago I saw a top jockey give a recalcitrant horse a dig in the chest in the parade ring after a race, so I don’t believe  – with  the Ahern incident in mind as well – that these incidents are particularly uncommon. The punishment has to be exemplary and between one and four days would be seen as a joke.<br>

    Did the Jockey cause hurt or injury to a horse?  No

    Did he intend to cause hurt or injury to a horse? No

    This  jockey will be punished to appease the undereducated within the sport and thus maintain a certain public image.

    On a slightly different issue, I have often seen a horse acting up and get a dig to get there respect.  THis is common practice from top horsemen and is a long way from cruelty.  Anyone who thinks they can get involved with young horses and never hit one of them a clip over the ear clearly has no real experience of horses.  

    SHL

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    Well said, SHL.

    It’s good to see that common sense prevailed and the HRA didn’t pander to the clueless tree-hugging crowd.

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    One day?  I heard it just now, and i’m flabbergasted at the impotance of the people who oversee our sport.<br>Headbutt a horse and get a slap on the wrist?  Forget ‘sending out a signal’ to other potential Zidanes.<br>They have all but condoned his actions with this ruling.

    #74225
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    SL, it has nothing to do with ‘tree-hugging’, and everything to do with telling jockeys that they cannot abuse their horses, even in the heat of the moment.

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    Anyone see the same horse cause no end of grief with Darryl Jacob on board at Worcester on Tuesday evening?<br>

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    I don’t think it was a very serious incident and it has been blown out of proportion, but they may as well have not banned him at all as for one day.

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    Quote: from davidjohnson on 12:29 pm on Aug. 3, 2006[br]I don’t think it was a very serious incident and it has been blown out of proportion, but they may as well have not banned him at all as for one day.

    Correct dj.  They have simply given him a ‘token’ ban.  They have brushed the incident off as simply one of those things.  You get a bigger ban for trying too hard to win a race.  Is that not what the whole sport is all about?  Yet, you can manhandle your mount before the race and get a more lenient rebuke?  Sorry, I simply don’t understand the logic.

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    Quote: from Racing Daily on 12:34 pm on Aug. 3, 2006[br]

    Quote: from davidjohnson on 12:29 pm on Aug. 3, 2006[br]I don’t think it was a very serious incident and it has been blown out of proportion, but they may as well have not banned him at all as for one day.

    Correct dj.  They have simply given him a ‘token’ ban.  They have brushed the incident off as simply one of those things.  You get a bigger ban for trying too hard to win a race.  Is that not what the whole sport is all about?  Yet, you can manhandle your mount before the race and get a more lenient rebuke?  Sorry, I simply don’t understand the logic.

    Because in trying too hard to win a race you can cause an animal far more distress.

    SHL

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    Quote: from Racing Daily on 12:01 pm on Aug. 3, 2006[br]SL, it has nothing to do with ‘tree-hugging’, and everything to do with telling jockeys that they cannot abuse their horses, even in the heat of the moment.<br>

    Are you telling me that tipping a horse with the peak of your cap is abuse???  Give me a break

    SHL

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    Quote: from SirHarryLewis on 12:54 pm on Aug. 3, 2006[br]

    Quote: from Racing Daily on 12:01 pm on Aug. 3, 2006[br]SL, it has nothing to do with ‘tree-hugging’, and everything to do with telling jockeys that they cannot abuse their horses, even in the heat of the moment.<br>

    Are you telling me that tipping a horse with the peak of your cap is abuse???  Give me a break

    I’m sure you will agree that there is nothing in the rulebook which states that it can be done if a horse is being unruly?  He therefore broke the rules.<br>A one day ban is almost condoning the act, as I said.  I don’t think he should have the book thrown at him as I have also already stated.  But one day is a derisory punishment.

    #74232
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    Again, another good post from SHL – beat me to it!

    Seriously RD, the horse would hardly have felt that and seeing as it’s seemingly a complete headcase I’m sure it regularly gets far more serious "abuse" than that at home.

    I agree with DJ also – storm in a teacup & complete over-reaction from a lot of quarters, IMO.

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