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- January 6, 2009 at 19:13 #15612
Another desperately sad, tragi-comic episode in the life of Gazza.
I accept that people have to want to be helped but this guy appears to be another tragedy waiting to happen. How can those closest to him allow him to make such a spectacle of himself in this way ? Another ordinary lad with a God-given talent but totally lacking in the life skills to deal with what life threw at him as a result. Why do people such as this attract the worst elements in terms of exploitation of their talent and character deficiencies ? Or are they just predisposed to self destruct as a trade-off for their gifts.
The radio interview attached actually makes for quite difficult listening … funny and tragic in equal turn … he genuinely believed he could have talked a seriously distressed gunman who had already murdered and maimed into giving himself up by bringing a dressing gown and a jacket and sharing his can of lager, bread and chicken whilst doing a spot of fishing together on the riverbank (coz he heard he was by a river) … even by Gazza’s recent standards this is bizarre in the extreme.
Begs the question, who’s helping Gazza ? Should we care or just dismiss him as someone who squandered his talent through his own life choices and is purely reaping that which they have sown ?
January 6, 2009 at 19:14 #9876What sorry excuse for a human being he is. The sooner he tops himself the better for everybody concerned.
January 6, 2009 at 19:31 #201959I’m a laid back character who rarely takes offense at anything but I don’t think I’ll be alone in wishing you would remove that posting.
Everybody is entitled to their opinion but to not only condone but wish that somebody with a dependancy problem (and probable mental issues) takes their own life is a bit low.
January 6, 2009 at 20:00 #201962Totally agree the opening post is unnecessary and offensive and does not merit any other response, whatever your opinion of Gazza may be.
January 6, 2009 at 20:59 #201974If I had said it about Sadaam Hussein before they caught him and hanged him would you have responded in the same manner?? No need to answer that. Dependency problem? What a joke. Next you’ll be telling me it’s all our fault and he should be suing us for letting him become a sad alky. Dependency problem = Greed. That’s all there is to that. He’s a pathetic excuse for a human being. Hopefully the Brit public will at last see him for what he is – an exfat lump of lard who drank himself into oblivion.
January 6, 2009 at 21:22 #201976That doesn’t really dignify a response.
January 6, 2009 at 21:40 #201977Gifted at his profession, he gave so much pleasure to fans of the game. You could only wish him well with his illness. A very nasty and unnecessary opening post that should be deleted imo.
January 6, 2009 at 21:59 #201984One of the finest players I’ve ever seen live. That free kick against Arsenal in the FAC Cup semi-final was unbelievable. I didn’t think it was possible for a ball to travel with such velocity. If you watch Seaman’s face, he was as shocked as everyone else. He never even saw it go past him.
A magnificent player, afflicted by dual diagnosis mental health issue, who deserves a better tribute from this forum than this trollish, psychopathic drivel.
January 6, 2009 at 22:32 #201990Magnificant player? Are you for real? An overrated lump a lard. What did he ever win?? ZERO! Please dont come back with the SPL title with Rangers as that’s just pathetic. I don’t think he ever won anything at all in his ENTIRE career? League titles? FA Cups? European cups? International tournaments? Not a single thing. Aye – wonderful footballer alright. Me sister.
January 6, 2009 at 23:27 #201998With the possible excpetion of Hoddle, he was without any question the most gifted british player since Best. By some margin IMO
And im a long way from being a Spurs fan…..
January 6, 2009 at 23:42 #202001If I had said it about Sadaam Hussein before they caught him and hanged him would you have responded in the same manner??
Yes
January 6, 2009 at 23:45 #202002If the majority would like me to delete the thread then I will.
However – I would vote for leaving it up for the following reasons –
a) it alerts us to the nature of Harbour Pilot’s character
b) it gives us an opportunity to highlight what an exceptional footballer Gazza wasI saw him play for Spurs against Hearts in a pre-season friendly in the early 1990’s and he simply looked a class apart (given that it was a friendly he was probably in second or third gear as well).
He was exceptional for Rangers, albeit in a relatively uncompetitive league.
His goal against us (the Scots) in Euro ’96 broke my heart but was absolutely top drawer.
Sadly, he has struggled since leaving football and would have probably done so earlier had he not had the support mechanisms at the top clubs he played for. His self-destructive tendencies were evident during his playing days and it is sad to witness what he has become.
I would like to wish him well and sincerely hope a way can be found to pull him back from the brink.
January 7, 2009 at 00:20 #202005I was going to delete this earlier but decided to leave it up for more or less the same reasons as you Corm.
Harbour Pilot .. why would an anonymous scrote like you direct such bile at a person you don’t know, or compare a drunken footballer with a murdered dictator?
January 7, 2009 at 00:38 #202016I watched the programme last night and it was as sad as it was enlightening.
He was the most gifted british player since Best and at his peak, (1990 world cup) the best player in the world IMO (and i’m staunch Arsenal btw)
I still wonder though, what influence Gazzas upbringing had on him becoming so self-destructive? Or was it simply his susceptibility to booze that ruined him? We all have our nemesis lurking within, I think.
What struck me most though, was the willingness of Pauls only biological son Reagan (aged 11 or 12) to leave him behind and move on – he really came across as though he’d seen enough and I dread to think. On the other hand, his step son and daughter seemed to crave his love and attention far more than his real son. This was fascinating but also the saddest part of all.
January 7, 2009 at 00:50 #202021Magnificant player? Are you for real? An overrated lump a lard. What did he ever win?? ZERO! Please dont come back with the SPL title with Rangers as that’s just pathetic. I don’t think he ever won anything at all in his ENTIRE career? League titles? FA Cups? European cups? International tournaments? Not a single thing. Aye – wonderful footballer alright. Me sister.
My ten year old nephew would put your football knowledge to shame.
Evidently, your posts suggest you’re probably not much older, so I suppose I should really know better.
January 7, 2009 at 01:02 #202026Are you a gooner Clive? I never had you down as one of those, but as a Wearsider fan myself the common ground twixt us grows by the minute!
Do me a favour…
Kings Roads finest for me mate
January 7, 2009 at 01:07 #202031
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I thought claims in newspapers this morning that Paul’s family (I do wish people wouldn’t refer to him as Gazza, as it is a belief in that persona that has fuelled his destruction) were still cashing in on his name was disgusting, especially following the quite sincere emotions they shared throughout the programme in question.
Regan’s reactions were, perhaps, the most honest, and however harsh they may have appeared they came right from the heart. He isn’t old enough to have known what Paul was like in his prime, or indeed what he brought to British football in general, but would that be enough to alter the view of someone who only has experience of a violent, foul-mouthed and thoroughly unpleasant alcoholic?
I think drawing a line in this sort of instance is incredibly hard. You could only ever wish for someone in Paul’s position to get better, but how many times do you offer a helping hand, or shoulder to cry on? How many times can you be told to **** off, or be physically threatened, before enough is enough?
I have suffered from depression, severe at times, and I’m a 24-year-old seemingly without a care in the world. Some people are susceptible to mental illness (in much the same way that some recover from a cold quickly, whilst others struggle for a fortnight) and will, on occasion, fail to deal with perhaps the most mundane of ‘problems’. Paul has had to endure the stresses of professional sports, something which is famous for exposing frailties in someone’s character, and continues to suffer the consequences of his inability to let his previous life go.
It’s fairly obvious that he still craves the life he once knew, and feels that he needs to live up to the image of ‘Gazza’ he thinks most of us hold dear. But he doesn’t seem to realise anymore that it’s Gazza the footballer, and Gazza the character, who captured the imagination of many a young boy, rather than the Gazza he has become.
The name is an institution, and I don’t think enough has been done to secure his long term survival. Perhaps it is not bestowed upon us to aid those who have, apparently, had everything and ‘chosen’ to throw it all away, but mental health legislation exists for a reason – he’s quite obviously beyond the point of simple alcohol dependency, and is becoming a danger to himself and those around him.
As for the opening post of this thread, it’s people like Harbour Pilot that make depression (and associated conditions) so hard to deal with. The level of pure ignorance is frightening at times and I can only hope that no-one close to him (or her) is similarly afflicted at any time.
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