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Anzum Posted: 16 Nov 2007 16:47 Post subject:
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This is a horse who Nicholls stated today, he fancies each way for the Queen Mother. To be anywhere near the front 3 in the Queen Mother, Granit Jack has to win tomorrow off 133 if my memory serves me right. I really think he’s a good bet even at 4/1
Except the Queen Mother is 1/2 mile shorter – Granit Jack may well win but I don’t think he’s great value and I will probably go for L’Antartique
Aragorn
Just my opinion m8
Anzum
No offence, but Nicholls can say what he likes
I’m looking forward to seeing how Granit Jack gets on, but not for me at 4-1 chaps – all the best though
Zebra – He’s won over tomorrow’s trip more than once, so I have no fears about the trip tomorrow.
Empty Wallet – Fair do’s. All the best with your bet. I just feel come the end of the season, 4/1 tomorrow could well be stealing money.
All the best.
Anzum Posted: 16 Nov 2007 17:15 Post subject:
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Zebra – He’s won over tomorrow’s trip more than once, so I have no fears about the trip tomorrow.
Yes but at Pau (twice) and at Taunton at 1/2, 2/5 and 1/5 so not in competitive races over a stiff track
I’ll be very surprised if the trip is what beats him tomorrow Zebra. The only minor doubt for me is its his first time jumping British fences. Apart from that I think he’s undoubtedly the one to beat.
I think Granit Jack is plenty short enough. His chase form is in uncompetitive 4yo only races around Pau. He also has no form on ground better than gd/sft and was beaten on his seasonal debut last year at odds of 4/7. He could turn out to be a cracking chaser but he’s far too short at 4/1 for me. I also think (but could be wrong) that Ruby may struggle to do 10 stone although I have no stats at all on this apart from the last 14 days where the lowest he had to do was Saintsaire at 10-4.
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For these races I always look for the progressive types – or an older horse that has a touch of class.
If Granit Jack is to have ANY chance of being in the shake up of the Queen Mother – surely – he has to steam up here off bottom weight. (If he has been laid out for the race and is fit enough). I would be a little concerned that Nicholls horses are not exactly flying – but I think it will have to carry my cash.
Idole First done me a big favour at the festival so will be having a saver on him.
Paul Nicholls has already said that Granit Jack is the best handicapped horse he’s had for five years, and with the stable in pretty good nick you’d expect him to go extremely close. The horse’s fencing experience in France, whether it be in ‘uncompetitive’ races at Pau or anywhere else, should prove invaluable and having acclimatised fully (my suggestion for his indifferent start to last season) he’s a worthy favourite off 10-0.
Paul Nicholls said Saintsaire was the best handicapped horse in his yard last year.
Granit Jack could turn out be top class, but he looks a dismal price today imo…
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and having acclimatised fully (my suggestion for his indifferent start to last season) .
LGR
The horse apparently had stomach problems, which the stable had sorted out before his Taunton win. Maybe he’d have acclimatised better if they’d smothered his oats in garlic?
Unless your up to speed on French Chasing , you ain’t really got a clue regards Granit Jacks chasing ability and can only take reasonable stab at what the 4yo form is worth
He’s unproven on ground, unproven at trip and up against chasers with proven ability
Could be a good horse, could be well handicapped, but overall, odds are in favour of those taking him on
The only concerns i have with Granit Jack is the fact that Nicholls’ string seems to be needing the run lately. He has stated that he has got Granit Jack aimed for this race, however you dont know how well he is going to be, with the fact that Nicholls’ horses seem to be needing the run.
The other concern is that i think he is plenty short enough for what he has achieved. He ran well at the festival last season, yes, and has run well in France since, but will he transfer that form to the English course again.
Who knows.
I personally am on Knowhere EW and i am hoping that Bob Hall runs a big race for AP. Bob Hall ran well at Cheltenham last season so seems to like the track.
The big value in the race would seem to be L´Antartique, at 7s, seems a decent bet if you are going to oppose Granit Jack.
Can’t see Bob Hall being far away at the death and carries my money. Also think Idole First could run well again. Cracking race!!!!!!!!!
This is my shortlist
Too Forward
Idole First
Palarshan
Vodka Bleu
Granit JackWith the exception of Granit Jack, i could back em all, but I like look of Vodka Bleu and can’t resist little nibble on Too Forward
This is my shortlist
Too Forward
Idole First
Palarshan
Vodka Bleu
Granit JackWith the exception of Granit Jack, i could back em all, but I like look of Vodka Bleu and can’t resist little nibble on Too Forward
About as short as mine then.
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