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    Avatar photogamble
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    A swinging meat rack
    can evoke feelings of disgust
    it can also attract flies
    and occasionally gamblers
    can be hooked up there.

    The little old lady from Dumfrieshire
    purrs around the hills in a sports
    blissfully uncaring of the scrapping allowance
    and she’ll never be racked.

    There are many mechanisms for avoidance
    but what concerns me is
    the will to root out for the rack.
    Where is the will ?
    And if it’s there how strong is it ?
    And what motivates it ?
    Morality or profits ?

    Aspinall highlighted
    boldness
    generosity of spirit
    and discipline
    as necessary cake mixes
    for a good gambler.

    What he never said was that

    A ‘ good ‘ gambler
    should abide by ethics
    and hold his pint straight.
    You’ll rarely ever
    find that written or spoken about.

    The Bair re-wrote the bible
    throwing in the word godsport,
    then took to the hills

    #223256
    thedarkknight
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    thedarknight, if it’s so easy why don’t people like Veitch just do number 2 and 3 instead of whinging?

    No comment…

    #223263
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    If people have evidence of stables and owners laying their own horses why don’t they pass that evidence on to the BHA?

    #223270
    thedarkknight
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    That is the whole problem, CR – it is extraordinarily difficult to provide any concrete evidence (as in evidence that would stand up in a court of law) that this sort of thing goes on. That doesn’t mean that it doesn’t go on though….

    #223276
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    For sure it goes on TDK, I’d imagine it’s on the increase as well. Shame the off course industry cant offer a better alternative. Personally I ‘d have no problems with laying being banned completely. The percentages, interface and opportunity to get a back bet on are the exchanges only attractions as far as I’m concerned. I certainly got much better customer service at Stan James yesterday then I ever have from Betfair.

    #223284
    davidbrady
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    I’ve no problem with the exchanges provided they are policed properly.

    Having said that, if there was a properly determined SP mechanism, I’d have no problem betting at SP on the High Street.

    Most of my betting is done using Betfair SP.

    #223309
    apk
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    The internet laying market is the worst thing to happen to horse racing in the last 100 years.

    Organizing a loser is so much easier and safer than organizing a winner – it simply invites corruption.

    People will talk about market forces and giving the punter a "fair crack of the whip" but for the integrity of the sport I believe that everyone, apart from regulated bookmakers, should be precluded from laying a horse.

    #223330
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    Apk,

    ‘Organising a loser’ didn’t start with the arrival of the exchanges. Try these names for size – Brownes Gazette (Champion Hurdle), Gorytus (Dewhurst), Pinturischio (Derby) – and there are plenty more, and they are just the ones that became public knowledge.

    Imagine how many more there must have been further down the scale that never came to light.

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    davidjohnson
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    Have to agree with Alan. Although it is now easier for a corrupt individual to lay a horse, there is also a much greater chance of that being detected.

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    thedarkknight
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    How many people been made to give up their ill gotten gains DJ?

    There isn’t an effective deterrent as far as I can see and wrong-doers being "detected" isn’t enough to stop corruption.

    Interesting to read Pat Eddery’s thoughts on page 17 of today’s RP. He clearly believes this is a major problem.

    #223493
    LUKE
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    John Magnier had 10 grand on Secreto for the Derby at 16/1 when he was the only danger to El Gran Senor.Victory for El Gran Senor would have meant the horse being syndicated for 40 million dollars.Sometimes the owner isonly too happy to see the insurance bet lose.

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