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Oliver Sherwood, Kim Bailey What Happened?

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    David.C.
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    You are right moehat, very unfortunately he did, I think it was the year 2000. Louis Duffey who owned him during his racing career gifted the horse to Tracey Bailey,as she loved the horse. He was at walking pace returning to Soley Farm Stud,in Lambourn,where he was stabled,when he lost his footing on the slippery road and fell heavily. Being in Lambourn there was a vet on the scene very quickly but very unfortunately there was nothing that could be done to save him.

    He had just returned to light exercise following a period of box rest after recovering from a minor fracture to his near-fore.A sad irony really, after winning and conquering the Grand National fences and being such a tear away in his younger days. A very sad loss.

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    Tracy Bailey … certainly was a very glamorous figure in racing round about that time…

    …and in shampoo adverts on telly as well for a while, if memory serves.

    gc

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    You are right moehat, very unfortunately he did, I think it was the year 2000. Louis Duffey who owned him during his racing career gifted the horse to Tracey Bailey,as she loved the horse. He was at walking pace returning to Soley Farm Stud,in Lambourn,where he was stabled,when he lost his footing on the slippery road and fell heavily. Being in Lambourn there was a vet on the scene very quickly but very unfortunately there was nothing that could be done to save him.

    He had just returned to light exercise following a period of box rest after recovering from a minor fracture to his near-fore.A sad irony really, after winning and conquering the Grand National fences and being such a tear away in his younger days. A very sad loss.

    Crikes, I had no idea about that – what a desperately sad way to go after all he’d achieved. Thanks for sharing.

    gc

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    It’s just a crying shame his story didn’t have a happier ending graysonscolumn. As bbobbell says he was a first class eventer in his own right relishing his new life, so I suppose we can be pleased that at least Mr Frisk did have a very good retirement up until that sad incident.

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    David.C.
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    …He can achieve a very good strike rate for about 4 weeks but unfortunately he is unable to maintain it….

    An interesting post, particularly the point I’ve highlighted.

    I wonder why that is with some trainers, is it feeding, basic groundwork in training, or what?

    When Stan Mellor was training, his yard seemed to exhibit the same sort of symptoms – a month where nothing could go wrong, then many months of the horses running disappointingly (although maybe the stats prove otherwise).

    A very good point Venusian. I’m afraid I don’t have the answer only a theory.

    Oliver Sherwood and one or two like him, as you point out Stan Mellor, have,or in Stan Mellor’s case had, the ability to train horses, unfortunately they lack the ability to sustain consistency, which is what makes a good trainer. The better the horse’s ability the easier it is to sustain that consistency.

    My theory, for what it’s worth, is trainers can bring horses to their peak by stepping up their exercise and pushing them harder in their training taking them to their peak fitness without actually taking them over the top. Once stepped up in training this enables the horse to run a race above his normal ability. This will enable a horse to run one or maybe, at a stretch,two races before they are over the top and need to have a long rest to recover, as a horse can not sustain that level of fitness without a long rest.A bit like a horse having a very hard race under very testing conditions, it can ruin the rest of their season.

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    Tracey Bailey moved onto John Francome later on than getting mixed up with Norman Williamson, and was with JF for quite some time I think (still is?). TB has show horses too, as do her children, and they compete in the show ring.

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    Yet another winner today for Kim..his horses are really worth following at the moment.

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    what was the reason for Lord of the River moving to Nicky Henderson?

    #184195
    David.C.
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    A nice post firefox, thanks. I saw Aldino win the Ekbalco hurdle, at Newcastle, he was small but very agile.Though I doubt his stature hindered him too much in a very illustrious career.He was as you say a good Festival winner of the Grand Annual, a special horse.

    Quite ironic really that both Kim Bailey and Oliver Sherwood have had a better start to the season.Kim Bailey training three winners from six in the last week. Oliver Sherwood sending out three winners in the last week, from just for runners!

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    Didn’t Kim’s fortunes change when he left Lambourn?

    My ex used to run his racing club and Kim is a thoroughly nice genuine chap. I don’t think he gets the quality of horses he used to whilst in "racing centre". There is something to be said for the perception that being in Lamboun/ Newmarket makes you a better trainer (from an owners view). Did this not also coincide with Norman leaving him, as well as Hales?

    I still always look for Kim’s horses, particularly in staying chases – Would love to see him do well again!

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    I also seem to recall the infamous "underbidding" saga with Paul Webber did not do his public image a lot of favours.

    I strongly suspect that this is the real reason for any reduction in Sherwood’s owners over the years. Saying it’s down to his refusal to be a sycophant, seems to me to be a convenient excuse to hide behind.

    People generally don’t like it up them.

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    what was the name of that really good hurdler that Roger Waters used to have?

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    I am rather fond of threads that no-one reply to ( the beautiful silence of rejection) or those left hanging in space like this one.

    Moe I possibly can rule some Waters’ horses out for you.

    Little Al (0/18)
    And the rest of a pretty poor bunch.
    Callisoe Bay, Florafen,Lemony Bay,Sierra Bay,Eight Bells.

    Stangely enough I was sitting in a coffee house last year and on the next table was sat David Gilmore on my right. I am a snooper and a party pooper and my ever nearer but poorer hearing ear was soon noticed, especially when his son arrived with his supposed lady partner and it all got a bit more interesting, but not before my hopefully surreptitious photo was sneakily taken. Now I could have asked him about Roger Waters his base guitarist of Pink Floyd argumentative fame and any non shite horses he might have bred that he possibly knew about, or I could have said…

    ‘ HEY DAVID – Isnt it about time you all moved to the vacant table to my LEFT ? ‘

    For ‘shite’ horses please read bread and butter

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    I think moe was probably referring to Berude Not To, who was a Challow Hurdle winner. I also thought that he was Roger Waters owned….

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    “I am rather fond of threads that no-one reply to”

    You would.

    That’s such a gamblesque remark.

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    Ruby- Berude Not To was owned by a Mr G. Addiscott.

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    I remember, Gladiateur. But it was the same 94/95 season in which Oliver Sherwood had the best 2m novice hurdler with Callisoe Bay and also the best 2m4f hurdler with Berude Not To.

    Wasn’t that the Addiscott Chamberlain Partnership? I know it existed, but I don’t recall the horses involved in it.

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